Hi Alex... and all... I also have several XOs that I can bring to SCaLE, including one of the blue high school models.
I have never been much of a fan of SOAS because it never worked well and reliably when I tried it. When it first came out I did a workshop at a CUE-LA conference and no one was particularly impressed with it. Is there a better version now? What will it run on and how difficult is it to make it work? I have an older Mac we can use for it, we should have it on something running Windows as well. Yes, you are absolutely correct about needing to explain Sugar to the people who should be our target audience... educators, parents, and children. Perhaps we could get the help of educators, like your wife (and, perhaps, Sameer's wife... a math teacher). We could ask them to choose some of the Activities they feel are best and most useful and tell us why they chose them. I am a retired Science teacher so I can speak for the science Activities. Guzman Trinidad in Uruguay is sending me a copy of his new book, "Fisica con el XO" (Physics with the XO). Perhaps we can set up some of his experiments. It would also be interesting to see if we can do some of them with Sugar/Sugarizer on other devices. Caryl P.S. To Walter... what is the size of the Sugar Labs banner you have? P.P.S. To All.... check your schedules and see if you can make it to SCaLE this year, If so, are you interested in getting together to rent a house in Pasadena? Let me know. ________________________________ From: Alex Perez <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 11:25 AM To: Caryl Bigenho Cc: [email protected]; Sameer Verma; aaron Kaplan; [email protected]; Jaskirat Singh; Tim Moody; Kenneth Wyrick Subject: Re: SCaLE 17X March7 -10, 2019 Caryl, The fact of the matter is that there really are 240 subscribers on the IAEP mailing list :) That said, I'm sure the percentage of folks who actually bother to read, much less participate, in these conversations is a tiny fraction of that. As far as the banner goes, my personal opinion on the "2.0" label is that it's _way_ overused, has run its course, and that we should try to come up with a more descriptive term to use instead. It was popularized around 2004, and If I had a dollar for every time I read something referred to as "$shinyThing" 2.0 I'd probably have a few hundred thousand dollars, at this point. With regards to slapping more logos on a new banner, we should probably try to reach some sort of agreement on which logos should be added, dropped, etc. Which entities would you propose should be added, and how are they related to OLPC and/or Sugar? I also see value in potentially having a second poster or banner with the "child" entities separated on to this. This would allow for the re-use of a strictly "sugar labs" banner at other events, and have at the ready. As far as using the OLPC name, I don't think there's anything wrong with it, in and of itself, as long as it does not cause confusion, which I personally believe "OLPC 2.0" has the unintended result of doing, at least in the context of a Linux conference. Reasonable people can disagree. To me, as a deeply technical person, I think "oh cool, new OLPC harware" and I think it is reasonable for attendees at a Linux-oriented conference to have a similar reaction. I think it would make sense to have a variety of devices running Sugar and Sugar On A Stick at the show, including the original OLPC. I personally think we need to do a better job of explaining what Sugar is, and why a parent or educational institution might be interested in having their child use it. Caryl Bigenho<mailto:[email protected]> December 21, 2018 at 10:51 AM Hi Again... Tony Anderson would like to see us keep this discussion on the iaep list, and I agree with him. If there are really 240 subscribers, please let's hear from more of you! This is all about "marketing" Sugar and everyone should have an interest in that! (See the PS below) Let's discuss the banner. I "created" it back in 2014 with the help of several other people... I think Tony Anderson and Adam Holt were among them. The object of calling it "olpc 2.0" was not to any way detract from "OLPC", as a matter of fact, we still have a table-size banner with the original OLPC logo and use both of them at the same time at SCaLE. Think of it as "olpc 2.0" representing all of the "children" of OLPC! They are the offshoots. "olpc 2.0" is what brings them all together as one "family" with OLPC as the "patriarch." Can some one come up with a replacement that conveys that same spirit? Or, we can just keep the "olpc 2.0" and use it on a new banner (you will notice, we purposely used a different font and rearranged the OLPC colors). There are many other organizations using "OLPC" in their name.. OLPC-France and OLPC-SF for example, so "olpc 2.0" should not be a problem. In addition to having at least one entity that is no longer active, the current banner is missing several others that have started since 2014 that should be included. It's definitely time for an update. The size of the SCaLE booth is 10' by 10' so the banner has to be at least 8' wide to look good. The current one is made of a lightweight non-woven fabric that resists wrinkles and can be folded fairly small to fit in the outside pocket of a suitcase. We took it that way to LinuxFest Northwest a couple of years ago. It would be good if any new one we get would be similar so it could be shared, even by mailing or UPS or FedEx to whomever may need it to have at other events. Alex Perez, if you have a connection that can print for us, great! Otherwise, we can get bids from several printers. I paid for the two original banners, "OLPC" and "olpc 2.0", but maybe SugarLabs would like to sponsor it this time? Caryl P.S. Remember, "iaep" was an acronym created by Mel Chu to remind us of what we are are really about. It stands for: It's An Education Project! ________________________________ From: Alex Perez <[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2018 3:10 PM To: Caryl Bigenho Cc: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>; Sameer Verma; Aaron Kaplan; [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>; Jaskirat Singh; Tim Moody; Kenneth Wyrick Subject: Re: SCaLE 17X March7 -10, 2019 Caryl & others, I have removed all of the recipients who are already members of the IAEP mailing list from the CC: list, so they do not receive duplicate e-mails. I will be in attendance at SCaLE 17x, along with my wife, who is currently a first grade schoolteacher, and has taught second grade, kindergarten, and pre-K here in California. Since this is a volunteer-run, kid-friendly event, it has a fairly different emphasis than a lot of other Linux-oriented conferences. Since there are nearly 240 subscribers to the IAEP mailing list, I would like to propose we peel off the discussion of the specifics to a general-purpose "events" mailing list, with only the people who actually wish to be involved in the specifics of this discussion. I can set one up easily, and we can continue discussion there. Thoughts? On the subject of the banner, see below... Caryl Bigenho wrote: We also need to decide on a possible new banner for the booth or whether we might just use the one we already have. See the attached photo of the booth at SCaLE 15X. If we want a new one, we should get a design and order it right away. It always costs less if you order early. The one in the photo lists most, but not all, of the various organizations and projects that are offshoots from, or related to, the old OLPC organization. Thus, the title "olpc 2.0." I am strongly in favor of _not_ re-using this banner, for a few reasons: - It has at least one domain on it that is no longer functional - planet.sugarlabs.org lacks quality content these days, and I really don't think we should be encouraging people to visit it - "OLPC 2.0" is a bit of an odd term, and since this was a proposed/prototyped piece of hardware at one time, if people googles the term, they get nothing useful. Furthermore, since the OLPC Foundation still is a legal entity which exists, and holds a current, valid trademark on OLPC, I am against using it on signage, without the express written consent of OLPC, Inc, which is based in Miami. I would personally prefer to emphasize "Sugar Labs" logo, and have it be most prominent. If I print the banner, are there any objections to that? Do you or does anyone else know who created the banner used at SCaLE 15x? Just curious. SCaLE is in Pasadena again this year. There are a couple of hotels close by and they usually offer a small discount to conference attendees. There is also the possibility of some of us getting together and renting a large house in the area via AirBnB or one of the other rental companies. Availability for these right now is excellent, but I expect they won't last long. If folks would like to do this, we need to move on it soon. Let's make this happen! Caryl Bigenho (unofficial SCaLE 19X booth chairperson... unless someone else wants to do it!) Caryl Bigenho<mailto:[email protected]> December 20, 2018 at 1:38 PM Hi Folks, Enough folks expressed interest in Sugar Labs participating in SCaLE 17X to warrant signing up for the FREE booth they are offering us. Now, we have about 10 weeks to "get our act together!" We need to decide what aspects of Sugar Labs and other OLPC related projects we want to show... such as School Servers, Sugarizer, RPi projects, Music Blocks, XO deployments around the world, etc. We also need people who know about these things to attend. We do have a few local volunteers who will help, but some are not always aware of all the things Sugar Labs does and sometimes are unable to answer questions. We need to decide what specific things to show and recruit people to come to Pasadena to attend and help out with the booth. SCaLE is like a gigantic "job fair" and showcase for everything open source. It is also a really great time to get together and have fun with other open source advocates from all over the West (and the world). If you have never been to a SCaLE event, take a look at last year's program and schedule here: https://www.socallinuxexpo.org/scale/16x You will be able to see what kind of presentations and activities they have along with a list of the exhibitors. We did not participate last year... for the first time in several years). Everyone who comes and does their share working on the booth will get a FREE FULL CONFERENCE PASS. Here is the list of the speakers lined up for 2019: http://www.socallinuxexpo.org/scale/17x/speakers We also need to decide on a possible new banner for the booth or whether we might just use the one we already have. See the attached photo of the booth at SCaLE 15X. If we want a new one, we should get a design and order it right away. It always costs less if you order early. The one in the photo lists most, but not all, of the various organizations and projects that are offshoots from, or related to, the old OLPC organization. Thus, the title "olpc 2.0." SCaLE is in Pasadena again this year. There are a couple of hotels close by and they usually offer a small discount to conference attendees. There is also the possibility of some of us getting together and renting a large house in the area via AirBnB or one of the other rental companies. Availability for these right now is excellent, but I expect they won't last long. If folks would like to do this, we need to move on it soon. Let's make this happen! Caryl Bigenho (unofficial SCaLE 19X booth chairperson... unless someone else wants to do it!) -- Sent from Postbox<https://www.postbox-inc.com/?utm_source=email&utm_medium=siglink&utm_campaign=reach>
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