Da parte da WMPT não há qualquer conflito. Esse indivíduo, que nunca esteve ligada a projecto nenhum, mas tinha acesso a algumas coisas do mundo Wikimedia por ser associado da WMPT, perdeu hoje essa condição. De modo que o problema agora é mesmo de quem gere a lista da Iberocoop, não nosso. Se quiserem expulsem-no daqui também, nós já fizemos a nossa parte.
Abraço, Paulo Fabricio Terán <[email protected]> escreveu no dia sábado, 27/04/2019 à(s) 20:16: > Deberían acudir a las instancias legales de Portugal para resolver esto. > Los capítulos son personas jurídicas que responden a la ley del país donde > están asentadas. > > El cumplimiento de los estatutos internos están garantizados por la ley de > cada país. Si se piensa que la reunión convocada es ilegal y que existen > otras irregularidades la autoridad competente es la establecida en la ley > de Portugal. > > En el Movimiento Wikimedia no siempre hay reglas claras y carece de > espacios neutrales para la resolución de conflictos, se trata más bien de > una red informal que de otra cosa. Pocas luces se pueden obtener de aquí > para resolver un conflicto de ese nivel. > > El sáb., 27 abr. 2019 11:12, Paulo Santos Perneta <[email protected]> > escribió: > >> Nota: >> >> Onde está "deixou efectivamente de ser membro de qualquer afiliado >> Wikimedia" deve ler-se "de acordo com a informação de que dispomos, deixou >> efectivamente de ser membro de qualquer afiliado Wikimedia membro da >> Iberocoop" >> >> Paulo >> >> Paulo Santos Perneta <[email protected]> escreveu no dia sábado, >> 27/04/2019 à(s) 17:06: >> >>> Boa tarde, >>> >>> Na qualidade de presidente da mesa da XII Assembleia Geral da Wikimedia >>> Portugal, e de representante da Wikimedia Portugal junto da Iberocoop, >>> comunico que João Miguel Vasconcelos perdeu hoje a sua condição de >>> associado da Wikimedia Portugal, após processo disciplinar interno previsto >>> no >>> regulamento interno da Wikimedia Portugal, e decisão unânime da >>> Assembleia-Geral, soberana nesta matéria. >>> >>> Creio que João Miguel Vasconcelos já havia sido removido da lista >>> interna da Iberocoop, mas deixo ao critério dos administradores da lista >>> geral a sua remoção, com esta informação de que o referido indivíduo deixou >>> efectivamente de ser membro de qualquer afiliado Wikimedia. >>> >>> A acta da XII Assembleia Geral da Wikimedia Portugal estará brevemente >>> disponível para consulta pública, no site da Wikimedia Portugal ( >>> https://pt.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Portugal) em "Reuniões". >>> >>> Com os melhores cumprimentos, >>> >>> Paulo Santos Perneta (DarwIn) >>> Wikimedia Portugal >>> >>> Joao Miguel Vasconcelos <[email protected]> escreveu no dia >>> sábado, 27/04/2019 à(s) 04:28: >>> >>>> Dear members of Wikimedia and Wikipedians >>>> >>>> I write as a citizen and no longer as a member of Wikimedia, because I >>>> made it clear to the Affcom and to the board of the Wikimedia Foundation >>>> that I have not been part of the organization from many months ago. I did >>>> not interfere in Wikimedia anymore. I do not want to do it anymore. >>>> >>>> Incredibly, once again, I receive today (like any associate) a call for >>>> an assembly, out of legal term. As you can see (registration RH353231640PT >>>> – CTT mailing system), I received today, the 26th April, up to 14:00, >>>> local time, the call for tomorrow the 27th. This is legislated in >>>> Portugal (one week time as minimum). So this assembly has no legal >>>> validity. As it seems that one of the items on the agenda is my expulsion, >>>> I would have no chance of defense. Which is also not legal. I do not know >>>> what the consequences are. Have these individuals totally lost their minds? >>>> >>>> As it is known, I move away because of incompatibilities with people >>>> from Portugal who, despite making some efforts to carry out some tasks in >>>> the Wikimedia Movement, destroy more than benefit it. It's totally >>>> counterproductive! Other people left successively, leaving the portuguese >>>> chapter in a chronical and critical lapse of sustainability (and maybe of >>>> reason to exists). As a matter fact, as it usually was in its lifetime. >>>> >>>> However, there have recently been a set of facts that lead me to react: >>>> It is totally unacceptable for insults and defamation to be made by these >>>> persons or other attached to them. Now as an offended citizen, not as an >>>> internal mate, and for considering unacceptable behavior, I have a >>>> democratic, moral and legal right and a duty to communicate and defense. >>>> Including asking for responsibilities to the Wikimedia Organization >>>> representatives about this kind of “daydreams”. >>>> >>>> I take this opportunity to share my surprise: at the fact that >>>> Wikimedia Portugal is being held in the positions of the board by Brazilian >>>> citizens, who were part of a banned Wikimedia group. >>>> >>>> I may deal with the Portuguese media. Maybe they will find it funny or >>>> interesting. (As there are not proper and considerable news anymore). >>>> >>>> The Public Prosecutor of Portugal interpellated me, a couple of months >>>> ago, if I was going to maintain the previous accusations against these same >>>> people, those related to irregularities. I told them that I would not do >>>> that. It did not deserve such work or expenditure of resources. Specially >>>> time. >>>> >>>> The question I ask all of you is if these people have nothing else to >>>> do for the movement (?). Why do they waste so much time insulting people >>>> (?) only because they can't feel them as their own chaps and trying to >>>> perturb them with 5 or 6 years old standard childish comments or in >>>> aspirant pre-teen macho tone comments, with connotations of contempt and a >>>> slightly negative gender discrimination, getting to the point of calling >>>> "marias", "marias group" to those who they want to achieve, out of their >>>> pathetic mainstream (?). Moreover, trying to exclude former members, who >>>> already excluded themselves (?). >>>> >>>> "Borderline envy"? Thirst for revenge? What a strange compulsive >>>> obsession! Is this a playground war game? Do these individuals feel so >>>> powerful in their free time bullying? Is it "the final solution's >>>> improvement strategy"?! >>>> >>>> Ridiculous! As the entire Organization, if condescending, now seems to >>>> be. >>>> >>>> So many mistakes! >>>> >>>> Shame on them! >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> Joao >>>> >>>> IMG_20190426_162157_HDR.jpg >>>> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9Xe3rP3pMCWU2JocUExV2t6eVREZlRXUjZNdU1xcnlhTFd3/view?usp=drive_web> >>>> >>>> IMG_20190426_162217_HDR.jpg >>>> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9Xe3rP3pMCWWjMxU3VQTmNBNy1MTmtYVkZJS2l4VkEtRlRn/view?usp=drive_web> >>>> >>>> IMG_20190427_015406_HDR.jpg >>>> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9Xe3rP3pMCWOThsdS0tblUzVGVwV3ZrWTR4V2NvemRSSnFv/view?usp=drive_web> >>>> >>>> IMG_20190427_015545_HDR.jpg >>>> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9Xe3rP3pMCWenJoWUdxRVVoZU96eGo3eTd4eGpoNmQ1UGY4/view?usp=drive_web> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Joao Vasconcelos >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Iberocoop mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/iberocoop >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >> Iberocoop mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/iberocoop >> > _______________________________________________ > Iberocoop mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/iberocoop >
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