"Thomas Conley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 
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> David,
>
<snip>
> Yes, I am passionate about this issue because I have wasted countless
hours 
> debugging problems related to so-called "self-documenting" error
messages. I 
> find it amazing that the COBOL developers can thumb their nose at IBM 
> standards with impunity, and then I get ridiculed for pointing that
out.
>

Tom,
  You say this in this message and said (when I asked where you got this
idea - 
in another message)

"I got this idea from the IBM pubs coordinator. "

Can you tell me "Who/what" "IBM pubs coordinator" told you that there
was an 
IBM-wide "standard" that all messages (for all products) should have a 
documented "programmer response" documentation?

This is a quite serious question.  I (personally) am aware of "product 
publication coordinators" but from all the times that I have dealt with
IBM dox, 
I new of some inter-product communication BUT not of any IBM-wide
coordinator.

If there is truly such a person (or position) *AND* if they truly have a

company-wide policy, then is very much something that "we" need to deal
with the 
COBOL folks on.

It is true that I (still) find the messages self-documenting, but I do 
understand that not everyone does.


-- 
Bill Klein
 wmklein <at> ix.netcom.com

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