Greetings, Robert.  I'm glad people on your planet are able to spend all
their time on maintenance.  I posted this several years ago on another
listserve, but it seems apropos here.

<rant>
I do not feel that my DB2 for z/OS v.7 subsystems running at PUT 0404
are "behind" on maintenance.  Although I do try to periodically apply
hipers between maintenance cycles, I think being one year "behind" is
quite reasonable, given the complexity of applying, testing, and rolling
out maintenance to multiple operating systems and subsystems.  IBM's
attitude is that you should apply every RSU as soon as it comes out, and
devote your entire staff to testing it and roll it out to all production
systems within a week, so you'd never be more than 6 months behind on
maintenance (since, by definition, the RSU is at least 3 months
"behind").  That's fine for them, but when people on this list start
thinking that has any resemblance to reality, I feel the need to inject
some experiential data. I have come to expect IBM to ask me why I
haven't put on PTF's they haven't finished writing yet, but I'd like to
inform everyone else here that it just doesn't work that way.  In the
real world, stability is more desirable than the latest bells and
whistles, so many companies intentionally implement change control
processes that slow the rate of change.  Guess what?  It works.  When a
maintenance package is carefully scrutinized by several departments,
then the quality of the change improves.  Because the change control
process is lengthy, we do mass maintenance much less frequently -- about
once a year here.  When I have a problem, I expect IBM to give me a fix
for my problem, not everyone else's.  Sure, I could fix my problem by
applying everything out there, but I can also fix it by applying a
single PTF.  And that happens two or three times a year.  So instead of
cranking away for months trying to do frequent maintenance, I get the
_same_ result by doing the maintenance once and then a PTF here and
there, which leaves me time to install, maintain, and support the other
26 products I'm responsible for.
</rant>

Regards,
Cathy 

-----Original Message-----
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Robert Justice
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 3:53 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: SMP sloppiness

well, for one, if company x is a year+ behind on maintenance as you
indicate 
below,
hmmm, well, that's the company's own stupidity and no one but theirs. .

It is prudent to stay a couple of months behind. 3 or so is normally 
considered "about right".

IBM has their CST report, their parallel sysplex test report, etc. 
describing their environment,
maintenance level, etc. Oh sure, they don't have all of the software 
packages "we" might, but there
is still no reason on this planet to ever be a year+ behind (or more) on

maintenance.
That's absurd, you're just asking for trouble.

We stay reasonably current and that includes the time to roll it across
our 
multiple sysplexes and
multiple lpars.

There is absolutely no valid excuse for not staying reasonably current
on 
maintenance, operating systems
and hardware.

Amazingly, by staying somewhat current, (but not quite bleeding edge)
I can't say I've ever really run into any of these issues that are in
this 
thread.
OW50900 made life interesting for a brief period, but that's about it.

I started with MVS/ESA V3 and now at "present" day at z/OS 1.6

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