No, that's entirely wrong.  IBM is not trying to reduce the cost of
mainframe ownership.  Less cost = less profit.  IBM is simply tackling the
Mainframe market's low hanging fruit--the grunts who keep things
moving--because no other areas for dramatic profit expansion really exist.

IBM sells this to clients as reducing the cost, but that reduction is either
non-existent or negligible.  Rather, the purpose is to get even better
margins.  Assume the average pay rate is $60-80/hr for one of these
sysprogs.  The contract agency takes $40, which gives half to the grunt.

Huzzah, IBM has snatched half of your pay check, with a quarter headed to
the agency and you get 25%.  If you're not happy then they'll fire you and
you can't go after IBM because you never actually worked for them.

I'm not sure if this is Capitalism or Canibalism, but I wouldn't doubt IBM's
pursuit of the later if it helped with the former.

Scott

On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 1:45 PM, Bill Fairchild <[email protected]> wrote:

> Or become a contractor to IBM yourself.  Then you can try to make a profit
> by offering your subcontractors considerably more than Veritas does.
>
> If IBM is trying to drive down the price of Sysprogs and they succeed, then
> they will have reduced the total cost of ownership of a mainframe system to
> a mainframe customer, and perhaps they will be able to sell more mainframe
> systems that way.
>
> Bill Fairchild
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[email protected]] On
> Behalf Of Lizette Koehler
> Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 2:40 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: IBM driving mainframe systems programmers into the ground
>
> So if I remember what contracting companies do
> IBM charges one rate. Then a company like Veritas Solutions is contracted
> by IBM and then they have to pay even less because they need to make a
> profit.  Which is probably why the hourly rate is SOOOOOOO   LOOOOW
>
> So the best action is to deal directly with IBM and not its subcontractors.
>
> Lizette
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