This is kind of off the topic, but related. Wasn't there a discussion on IBM-Main a couple years ago about the air traffic control system being run on old IBM 3081s? If I remember right, and my memory isn't as good as it used to be, it was just a few years ago that these old machines used to control some of the air traffic control. Have these been retired yet?

Eric Bielefeld
Sr. Systems Programmer
IBM Global Services Division
Dubuque, Iowa
414-477-7259


----- Original Message ----- From: "Kelman, Tom" <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: Check out Computer glitch to cause flight delays across U.S. - Mar ketWatch


That's what I was thinking.  A system this critical and there is no
backup and no failover for 7*24 uptime.  Just think - this is one of the
systems that controls our airline flights.  I was talking with someone
that I work with who is actually an ex-employee of one of the major
airlines.  The airlines have to electronically file their flight plans
into this system a certain number of hours before the pilots are allowed
to leave the ground.  That's what caused all the delays and
cancellatioins - no flight plan filed - no flight.  I'm about to take a
flight in a couple of weeks, and the fact that the system seems to have
no backup/failover process is very scary to me.  I sure hope that there
are better failover facilities for the actual flight controllers' system
that's used once the plane is in the air.

Tom Kelman
Enterprise Capacity Planner
Commerce Bank of Kansas City
(816) 760-7632

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