That would be hard to say without really studying the current environment. I would imagine that the current Unisys environment is as far from what they are running on as would be System z using DB2 and Cobol. However, since they are on an old Unisys/Burroughs environment they might be able to get some serious assistance from current Unisys to upgrade. You can never tell until you ask.
Tom Kelman Enterprise Capacity Planner Commerce Bank of Kansas City (816) 760-7632 > -----Original Message----- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On > Behalf Of Clark Morris > Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 10:29 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu > Subject: Re: COBOL - no longer being taught - is a problem > > On 21 Apr 2010 07:35:48 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote: > > >John, > > > >That WikiPedia article also states that DMSII was created by Burroughs > >(later UniSys) as a database to run on its processors. Does that mean > >they are still running UniSys machines. If so they have problems over > >and above COBOL "not being taught". It sounds like a typical government > >non-upgrade environment. Now they are caught in the dark ages and > >instead of upgrading to modern DB2 and COBOL on proper processors they > >are probably going to "throw out the baby with the bath water" and get > >OMG - WINDOWS. > > The intelligent upgrade would be to a current Unisys offering which > has a migration path from the existing system if disruption is to be > avoided. Another alternative would be to consolidate on a platform > already understood by the agency. I suspect that moving to COBOL and > DB2 on z could be more painful and costly than a number of other > alternatives. > > > >Tom Kelman > >Enterprise Capacity Planner > >Commerce Bank of Kansas City > >(816) 760-7632 > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On > >> Behalf Of McKown, John > >> Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 8:37 AM > >> To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu > >> Subject: Re: COBOL - no longer being taught - is a problem > >> > >> Easy solution. Declare COBOL a national treasure and force all > >> Universities in Canada to teach it as a prerequisite to any other > >Computer > >> Science class. Or at least as a graduation requirement for a > >Bachelor's > >> degree in CS. That's "the government way". Just pass a law. I mean, I > >had > >> to take classes that I didn't like in order to get my B.Sc. in Math. > >(like > >> English and History), Why not require COBOL? It's no more arbitrary > >than > >> anything else that nobody wants to take. And there are PC based COBOL > >> compilers (at least for Windows). DMSII doesn't ring a bell, but > >according > >> to Wikipedia: <quote>DMSII provided: an ISAM model for data access, > >> transaction isolation and database recovery capabilities.</quote> > >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unisys_DMSII . So all that is needed is > >> another database system which has the same API to replace it. > >> > >> -- > >> John McKown > >> Systems Engineer IV > >> IT > >> > >> Administrative Services Group > >> > >> HealthMarkets(r) > >> > >> 9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richland Hills * TX 76010 > >> (817) 255-3225 phone * (817)-961-6183 cell > >> john.mck...@healthmarkets.com * www.HealthMarkets.com > >> > >> Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message may contain confidential > >or > >> proprietary information. If you are not the intended recipient, please > >> contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the > >original > >> message. 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Today there are some specifics, including COBOL: > >> > > >> > "Auditor-General reports that updating systems could cost billions > >> > ... > >> > Ms. Fraser said the problem is so bad that some key programs > >> > may shut down. > >> > ... > >> > Meanwhile, Canada's National Immigration Program runs on a > >programming > >> > language - COBOL - that is no longer being taught and the staff that > >> > understand it are retiring. The program also uses a database > >> > system called > >> > DMSII that dates back to the 1970s...." > >> > > >> > http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/government-wont-l > >> > et-aging-computers-halt-basic-services-day-says/article1540750/ > >> > > >> > Maybe you guys and girls have some ideas that would save us > >> > taxpayers from > >> > paying rising interest on more billions borrowed. > >> > > >> > Regards, > >> > Mike Baldwin > >> > Cartagena Software Limited > >> > Markham, Ontario, Canada > >> > http://www.cartagena.com > >> > > >> > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > >> > send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN > >INFO > >> > Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html > >> > > >> > > >> > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > >> send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO > >> Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html > > > > > >*********************************************************************** ** > **** > >If you wish to communicate securely with Commerce Bank and its > >affiliates, you must log into your account under Online Services at > >http://www.commercebank.com or use the Commerce Bank Secure > >Email Message Center at https://securemail.commercebank.com > > > >NOTICE: This electronic mail message and any attached files are > >confidential. 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