Shmuel,

If the "mainframe" is to be defined as an electronic computer doing
commercial work - which, for example, I expect is a definition with which
IBM would agree - then we in/from the UK like to propose the LEO as the
pioneer. Here's a quotation snip from a BBC site:

"Fifty years ago the great catering company J Lyons, best known for its
Teashops and Corner Houses, ran the world's first real business computer
program, calculating the value of its bakery sales. Astonishingly Lyons had
also developed and built the computer itself, and it gave it the playful
name of "LEO" - short for Lyons Electronic Office."

Here's a couple of URLs for the curious:
http://www.kzwp.com/lyons/leo.htm
http://www.leo-computers.org.uk/

Chris Mason

P.S. My apologies if I have sent a blank post into the system. My first
attempt to set this one up "disappeared"!

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> In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 12/09/2005
>    at 01:36 PM, Chris Mason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>
> >I just called it up and I see it starts with the birth of the
> >mainframe in the 1950s!
>
> What birth of the mainframe in the 1950's? It was clearly earlier, and
> arguably earlier than the ENIAC.
>
> -- 
>      Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT
>      ISO position; see <http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html>
> We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress.
> (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003)

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