On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 2:10 PM, Wayne Driscoll <wdri...@us.ibm.com> wrote: > In my 20 plus year career I have seen a lot more people with mainframe > backgrounds expressing a willingness to learn and integrate usage of > non-mainframe technology than I have seen people from an "open-systems" > background show a willingness to learn anything about the mainframe.
I completely agree with this statement. It is typically a requirement of mainframe types to understand open system terminology and then speak of mainframe using open systems language. sysplex vs. cluster is a typical rough and ready analogy. I've yet to see an open system person have even a vague understanding of record oriented I/O or PDS processing. The list goes on and on. > > =============================================== > Wayne Driscoll > OMEGAMON DB2 L3 Support/Development > wdrisco(AT)us.ibm.com > =============================================== > > > > From: > "R.S." <r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.pl> > To: > IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu > Date: > 07/18/2011 03:50 PM > Subject: > Re: Making Z/OS easier - Effectively replacing JCL with Unix like commands > Sent by: > IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu> > > > > W dniu 2011-07-18 22:15, Paul Gilmartin pisze: > [...] >> As upper management perceives, even through media such as airline >> magazines, that (some; I'm confident not all) z/OS systems programmers >> exhibit public delight in unwillingness to assimilate new technology and >> in performing their jobs in a needlessly difficult, even painful manner, > > I'm not 'upper management', I'm very downlevel manager and I don't read > airline magazines at all, I prefer some good redbook instead... HOWEVER > MY OPINION IS EXACTLY AS THE ABOVE! > Yes, majority of mainframe people I ever met do their job in needlessly > difficult, sometimes even painful manner. SOme of them are absolutely > unwilling to assimilate anything "new", even like DFSMS (is it modern? > is it "cool"? did it come from "colorful worlds of Windows, Apple etc."?). > Of course there are also people more opne-minded, but the majority... > Oh, someone could say there are old farts and young wolves. No, the > division is not so simple, I know clever open-minded gray-haired folks > and young but very "old-minded" adepts. > > >> it bodes ill for the future of the platform. > Yes, I wish it would be untrue. > > -- > Radoslaw Skorupka > Lodz, Poland > > > -- > Tre tej wiadomo ci mo e zawiera informacje prawnie chronione Banku > przeznaczone wy cznie do u ytku s u bowego adresata. Odbiorc mo e by > jedynie jej adresat z wy czeniem dost pu osób trzecich. Je eli nie jeste > adresatem niniejszej wiadomo ci lub pracownikiem upowa nionym do jej > przekazania adresatowi, informujemy, e jej rozpowszechnianie, kopiowanie, > rozprowadzanie lub inne dzia anie o podobnym charakterze jest prawnie > zabronione i mo e by karalne. Je eli otrzyma e t wiadomo omy kowo, > prosimy niezw ocznie zawiadomi nadawc wysy aj c odpowied oraz trwale > usun t wiadomo w czaj c w to wszelkie jej kopie wydrukowane lub > zapisane na dysku. > > This e-mail may contain legally privileged information of the Bank and is > intended solely for business use of the addressee. This e-mail may only be > received by the addressee and may not be disclosed to any third parties. > If you are not the intended addressee of this e-mail or the employee > authorised to forward it to the addressee, be advised that any > dissemination, copying, distribution or any other similar activity is > legally prohibited and may be punishable. If you received this e-mail by > mistake please advise the sender immediately by using the reply facility > in your e-mail software and delete permanently this e-mail including any > copies of it either printed or saved to hard drive. > > BRE Bank SA, 00-950 Warszawa, ul. Senatorska 18, tel. +48 (22) 829 00 00, > fax +48 (22) 829 00 33, e-mail: i...@brebank.pl > S d Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydzia Gospodarczy Krajowego > Rejestru S dowego, nr rejestru przedsi biorców KRS 0000025237, NIP: > 526-021-50-88. > Wed ug stanu na dzie 01.01.2011 r. kapita zak adowy BRE Banku SA (w > ca o ci wp acony) wynosi 168.346.696 z otych. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO > Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO > Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html