Ted, I normally do not respond but since you were not in the same tone as it usually is, I will say this. I have in the past run into seemingly bright programmers that were convinced that they knew better than MVS in how things should work. We had to fight tooth and nail to stop them. It's amazing how political things get when an inflated ego gets involved and when politics get in a war. I had to get up and explain how MVS handles certain things (like performance decisions) in a meeting of vp's And try and simplify it to the executive mind. I put up an old decision diagram(this was 30 years ago when it was complicated now it's beyond complicated as we all know) but this was a political corporate meeting and the goal was to get some kind of decision made. Trying to stop a programmer to try and out guess how IBM does it's "thing". I guess the presentation I did worked as the programmer backed down and did his thing internally within the program . We no longer had to pretest his programs when we were testing MVS maintenance installs. It was a lot easier to do our job. Ed
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