Let's remember that it's not usually our technologist colleagues who are the dark side of the force in any of these organizations - usually all they (we) want to do is write good code that works, and maybe impresses our peers to they point that it pays to do it. The dark parts tend to exist higher up the chain, where direction is set, or in parallel organizations such as marketing, sales, contracting, and billing. At least that's where most of the agonized screaming seems to come from.
Plus, having well-known and respected colleagues "infiltrate" means things should get better. Tim Hare Senior Systems Programmer Florida Department of Transportation (850) 414-4209 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
