Paul,

I'm afraid you missed the emphasis in my reply. I was reacting to your
"haven't tried assembler, but it intrigues me." statement from your earlier
post. As I see "Anne & Lynn Wheeler" describing in some detail in a post
which. for some reason, hasn't popped up in my - I almost said "reader" -
"in-box", installing software was very heavily reliant on the assembler
macro language even if you contrived to "punch" to some media other than
cards and "submit" from there.

I tried to think when I last really used cards and then managed to "convert"
to, well, something else, maybe VM/CMS with a guest VS1 system - thus,
logically, I may still have been using cards - but memory fades with respect
to these more trivial tasks. Probably my last efforts with the 029 and the
2540 was in 1976 in Oberedonaustrasse, Vienna. I must have started using VM
shortly after that - and never punched a card thereafter :-) Come to think
of it that's probably a significant moment in everyone's "mainframe"
career - if your long enough in the teeth.

Another aspect to my viewpoint is that, perhaps unlike  John Gilmore, I
started with the original DOS where using cards for the object, literally,
deck was taken for granted. Tape wasn't always available and, in my DOS
days, I can't recall DASD being an option - but maybe I just remember
fanning nice new cards so that they didn't jam. :-)

Chris Mason

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Gilmartin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, 07 May, 2006 8:42 PM
Subject: Re: rexx or other macro processor on z/os?


> In a recent note, Chris Mason said:
>
> > Date:         Sun, 7 May 2006 19:24:11 +0200
> >
> > You are clearly rather new to this game - and you can be very, very
thankful
>
> > many macros and submitted an assembler "compile". You then took the
cards
> > out of the card punch stacker, took a couple of steps round the 2540
card
> > reader/punch and put the cards into the hopper.
> >
> Was this, then, even before passed data sets existed?  There was no
> other way to pass data from one job step to another?  (Did jobs
> even have multiple steps?)
>
> -- gil
> -- 
> StorageTek
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