On Jun 5, 2006, at 3:14 AM, Timothy Sipples wrote:
Y'all know z/VM installs from DVD, right? That started about when
the z800
came out. It's pretty easy, too. The second link below has the
steps, and
there aren't many. Don't know how the rumor started that z/VM is
difficult. Quite simply it ain't. Maybe mainframers are always
supposed
to say it's difficult then over-deliver? :-)
http://www.vm.ibm.com/install/
http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/abstracts/sg246311.html
To reiterate, about 1,700 mainframe shops have already done this
(installed
Linux, almost all under z/VM). That's very fast adoption for something
that's about 6 years old.
Timothy:
I profess I have never installed VM (unless you count once 30 years
ago). That being said, its never the d/l'ing that is the difficult
part .. its always the "post" downloading that gets to be a PITA and
always requires some (some say quite a bit) expertise. The VM system
I helped set up was on a 4331 (w/3310's IIRC) was not a breeze by any
stretch. IIRC it was a IPO (but I could be remembering incorrectly).
But to get back to MVS the same thing can be said with a SERVPAC. I
won't talk too much about servpac's as I have already indicated my
dislike for them on here in the past. The d/l is almost never hard
the customization is always the gotcha IMO. So please don't say the
install is easy as it is only about a 1/3 (1/4?) of the job. You are
making a broad statement, IMO, and putting a broad brush on the
effort and thereby making it seem like any idiot can do so. This
seems to be an effort by IBM (starting in the 1990's) that sysprogs
are no longer needed. IBM (even in the SERVPAC classes) discussed
that they are no longer needed that any joe blow can do a servpac.
I am not picking on LE but if you take the defaults that LE put out,
a lot of your batch programs will not work correctly. The same can be
said for other "optional" customization items that need careful
monitoring at customization times. Most likely an untrained sysprog
would take all the defaults. I was training a sysprog at the time of
the servpac and I gave him the chore to determine which customization
jobs were needed and he didn't have a clue. Like I said I don't wish
to pick on ONE component but LE is a good target (sigh).
IBM (and you) seems to be sending out signals that we sysprogs are no
longer needed. I am lucky to be in retirement and not have to put up
with this BS from IBM anymore.
Ed
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