When I worked for Amdahl in the 1980s, the salesmen made great use of the
"Computer Users Yearbook". Not sure if this was a UK only phenomenon, but I
think it was compiled by the publisher sending questionnaires to most UK
companies of any size. People seemed happy to answer questions in those
days.

Nigel


On 11/7/06 01:33, "Kevin Keyes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Charles Mills wrote:
> 
>>> marketing pukes
>>>    
>>> 
>> 
>> Excuse me?
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>> wondered how they found all that information
>>>    
>>> 
>> 
>> A number of companies develop or once developed directories of sites by
>> hardware type (AS/400, Univac, S/390, DEC, whatever). If you started with a
>> mailing list for an enterprise software type magazine and had the budget to
>> call every unique shop represented, you could do a pretty good job
>> (especially back in the days when people actually answered their
>> telephones). Once you have the list, it is a somewhat simpler task to
>> maintain it.
>> 
>> Such a list could be sold to the marketing, um, people - that revenue might
>> justify the expense involved.
>> 
>> I'm a techie at heart but I used to own a software company. Without sales
>> people, there would have been no sales, and no jobs for programmers.
>> Marketing is more than sales. Part of marketing's job is to make sure that
>> the techies are building what the customers want - not an entirely bad
>> thing.
>> 
>> Charles
>>  
>> 
> Now you have done it Charles.  I have been marketing and selling IBM
> mainframe software since starting up in 1980.  There are
> some ego's here that can't handle this logic.
> 
> IBM does not publish customer lists for obvious reasons.  As I am sure
> you know, there are some good alternatives that can be purchased
> and each can be broken down by names,  companies, sites, processors,
> etc., for both vert. and horizontal marketing opportunities.
> 
> Harte-Hanks directly comes to mind but I get packages monthly with other
> companies providing the same service.
> 
> You logic above however will get you some flames due to many that have never
> seen both ends of the gun.
> 
> Goods luck.  (E)JES me off-line what you are specifically looking for, I have
> been around a long time and have a pretty good handle on it.

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