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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Chase, John
Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 2:39 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Damping Fields
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That's known as "frequency separation".  :-)
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If I remember correctly, FREQ SEP is the "dead" area between assigned
centers of a frequency (long winded explanation needed here for FM v. AM
v. PM). Now the FAA's idea of freq sep is probably another issue.
Although I know that depending on the sector you are in, a controller
may be ganged to you and another during low traffic times....

> Now I know that some controllers are 
> ganged to handle two or more radios (I've even been at CAK 
> and Springfield MO after 10PM and the approach, tower and 
> ground were all the same person - you talk about a bored 
> controller). But I never heard the Big Iron pilots talking 
> and I was supposed to be following them (visual approach) -- 
> You should try this when vis is < 2 mi and they are doing 
> 160+Knots and you are firewalled doing 120Knots and you're #2 
> for the ILS  ;-)

Been there; done that.  "Technical nit":  "Visual approach" requires
"VFR conditions" (cig >= 1000 and vsby >= 3mi).  The equivalent in
less-than-VFR conditions is called "contact approach" (or that's the way
it was pre-PATCO-strike; doubtless a lot of rules and descriptions have
changed since then).
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Hence my comment about vis < 2 mi. It was intended for those who have
been there, done that.

Isn't a Contact approach something like where a C130 reaches out and
CONTACTs you while on approach (gotta love their turbulence as you STAND
on the sky (up hill rudder peddle)).
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> Now, at Youngtown OH and Mansfield OH (both are C130 bases or 
> were until very recently), I heard those guys all the time on 
> the "regular" low freqs for approach, tower and ground.

Best I can recall, the "regular" freqs for ground and tower were 121.9
and 118.3 respectively for VHF; 360.2 and 340.2 for UHF.  I don't
remember a "regular" approach control frequency, though it seems most of
the facilities where I worked used 120.7 as the "primary".
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When there are towered fields relatively close together, they have their
CTAF, Approach, ground, clearance, etc. all on different freqs to keep
from confusing Pilots (and each other).

What I meant by regular low freqs was that the C130 jocks were on the
same freqs as us GA pilots who were out doing currency stuff.

I'm gonna miss Mansfield OH (I've just moved to Dallas). You could do 6
approaches, holds, intercepts, and all in about 1.2 hours (per HOBBS)
because of the VOR, GPS, ILS and LOC approaches between the 2 runways.

Later,
Steve Thompson

PS. I miss PATCO

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