Tom Marchant wrote:
Is IBM really giving up on VM? They tryed that once before...
Once? I think the first time was about 1970.
pretty much all during cp67 ... at least tss/360 group was trying to
cancel it ... since the 360/67 (w/virtual memory was supposed to be a
"tss/360" machine). i was undergrad that got to attend the Spring '68
houston share meeting (when cp67 was officially announced) and almost
got into a brawl at scids with one of the tss/360 developers (both of us
were pretty well plastered)
then all during early vm370 .... developers were constantly being told
that if they wanted a career, promotion, and/or raise ... they needed to
move to hudson valley (pok or kingston) and work on a "real" system ...
since the next release of vm370 was alway going to be the last.
then in '76 they killed the vm development group in burlington (the
development group had split off from the science center, absorbed the
boston programming center, and when they outgrew space in 545 tech sq.
... moved out to the old service building corp. building in burlington
mall) and told everybody that they needed to move to pok ... vm370 was
being killed ... because mvs/xa wasn't going to meet its schedule and
mvs/xa needed all the vm developers working on mvs/xa ... in order to
try and meet schedule.
there was an episode where the shutdown was leaked to the people in
burlington ... well before it was officially announced ... which
resulted in a couple month witch hunt for who leaked the information
(as well as lots of people looking for how they could stay in the area
and not have to move). the guilty party was never identified.
endicott was eventually able to salvage part of the vm370 product
development mission ... of course you saw some number of the burlington
people staying in the area and going to work for dec (vax/vms) or to
places like prime computer.
in the late 70s and early 80s ... there was a huge explosion in the
number of vm machines in the mid-range market place ... 4341s competing
against vax machines (which also saw a huge market explosion). this was
before the mid-80s when the workstations and large PCs started taking
over that market segment. the 4381 was being ramped up to continue the
huge 4341 market explosion ... but by that time the workstations and PCs
was starting to take over that market segment (other vendors in that
market segment saw similar effects).
random past posts mentioning burlington mall location (and/or shutdown
of burlington mall so everybody could move to POK to help get mvs/xa
development back on track):
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/94.html#2 Schedulers
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/98.html#7 DOS is Stolen!
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/99.html#179 S/360 history
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2000b.html#54 Multics dual-page-size scheme
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2000b.html#55 Multics dual-page-size scheme
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001m.html#47 TSS/360
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001m.html#49 TSS/360
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001n.html#67 Hercules etc. IBM not just
missing a great opportunity...
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002e.html#27 moving on
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002h.html#34 Computers in Science Fiction
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002h.html#59 history of CMS
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002j.html#17 CDC6600 - just how powerful a
machine was it?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002m.html#9 DOS history question
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002o.html#78 Newsgroup cliques?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002p.html#14 Multics on emulated systems?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003c.html#0 Wanted: Weird Programming Language
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003d.html#8 IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ...
-- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBM
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003f.html#53 Alpha performance, why?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003g.html#22 303x, idals, dat, disk head
settle, and other rambling folklore
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003h.html#34 chad... the unknown story
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003k.html#0 VSPC
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003k.html#55 S/360 IPL from 7 track tape
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004.html#20 BASIC Language History?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004.html#32 BASIC Language History?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004c.html#47 IBM 360 memory
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004d.html#42 REXX still going strong after
25 years
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004e.html#37 command line switches [Re:
[REALLY OT!] Overuse of symbolic
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004g.html#24 |d|i|g|i|t|a|l| questions
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004g.html#35 network history (repeat,
google may have gotten confused?)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004g.html#38 Infiniband - practicalities
for small clusters
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004k.html#23 US fiscal policy (Was: Bob
Bemer, Computer Pioneer,Father of
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004m.html#6 a history question
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004m.html#54 Shipwrecks
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004n.html#7 RISCs too close to hardware?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004q.html#72 IUCV in VM/CMS
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005f.html#58 Where should the type
information be: in tags and descriptors
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005h.html#37 Software for IBM 360/30
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005j.html#25 IBM Plugs Big Iron to the
College Crowd
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005j.html#54 Q ALLOC PAGE vs. CP Q ALLOC vs
ESAMAP
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005p.html#0 Article: The True Value of
Mainframe Security
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005q.html#12 What ever happened to Tandem
and NonStop OS ?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005q.html#14 What ever happened to Tandem
and NonStop OS ?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005s.html#35 Filemode 7-9?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005s.html#36 Filemode 7-9?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006b.html#18 {SPAM?} Re: Expanded Storage
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006j.html#44 virtual memory
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006l.html#25 Mainframe Linux Mythbusting
(Was: Using Java in batch on z/OS?)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006m.html#21 The very first text editor
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006m.html#25 Mainframe Limericks
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006m.html#28 Mainframe Limericks
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