[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ed Gould) writes:
> I have been exposed to two different "channel extenders" over the
> years. Of the two each had its own weaknesses. I won't talk about
> brand names other than to say they were from different parts of the US.
> The first (and second) seemed to drive IOS nuts and they were guilty
> of various errors which at least a few times brought the system down
> (these were attached to either a 4341 or a 168 (& 3033)). I had IBM
> ask me to strip out their logrec errors of the report as the number
> of errors at times amounted to several hundred a day.
>
> Yes the damn things worked (sort of kind of) but the error recovery
> took its toll on MVS. The devices they had at the other end had
> response time issues which were hard to pin down as to where the
> issue was. The error recovery was part of issue of course but other
> items just kept on cropping up and (at times) it was a part time
> sysprog to baby sit the various issues.

recent posting about doing channel extender installation in 1980, when
STL (now silicon valley lab) was bursting at the seams and
needed to move 300 (IMS) to offsite bldg.
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006y.html#3 The Future of of CPUs: What's After 
Multi-core

one of the things i did was choose to reflect "channel check" when i
got unrecoverable error (some number from the T1 link). that decision
eventually propogated into a number of different implementations
supporting the same hardware.

this showed up as a problem early in the 3090 product cycle.  after
first year, 3090 product manager contacted me claiming that the 3090
customer machines erep was showing an "unnatural" number of channel
checks. 3090 was designed to have something like 3-5 total, aggregate,
channel checks for the first year across all installed 3090s. erep
reports had turned up something like 20 total channel checks.

after some investigation, i determined that IFCC (interface control
checks) would result in the same error recovery process (as reflecting
channel check).

installation supported channel attached 3270 controllers, printers,
and tapes. didn't support CKD DASD ... because of timing dependent
problems with search arguments.

later the vendor introduced enhanced "remote device adapter" that
addressed the timing problem with CKD search arguments. You saw this
show up at installations like NCAR ... besides supporting ibm
mainframe channel extension it also supported a number of other vendor
processors. the NCAR installation sort of used an ibm mainframe system
as a hierarchical filesystem control infrastructure ... for other
processors (like Crays) directly doing i/o to CKD disks (sort
of the original SAN implementation).

this particular vendor eventually was later purchased by STK.

misc. past posts on this subject:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/94.html#23 CP spooling & programming technology
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/94.html#24 CP spooling & programming technology
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/96.html#27 Mainframes & Unix
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2000b.html#38 How to learn assembler language for 
OS/390 ?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2000c.html#65 Does the word "mainframe" still have 
a meaning?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2000c.html#68 Does the word "mainframe" still have 
a meaning?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001.html#21 Disk caching and file systems.  Disk 
history...people forget
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001.html#22 Disk caching and file systems.  Disk 
history...people forget
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001g.html#33 Did AT&T offer Unix to Digital 
Equipment in the 70s?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001k.html#46 3270 protocol
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002.html#10 index searching
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002e.html#46 What goes into a 3090?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002f.html#7 Blade architectures
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002f.html#60 Mainframes and "mini-computers"
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002g.html#61 GE 625/635 Reference + Smart Hardware
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002i.html#43 CDC6600 - just how powerful a machine 
was it?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002j.html#67 Total Computing Power
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003b.html#29 360/370 disk drives
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003c.html#66 FBA suggestion was Re: "average" DASD 
Blocksize
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003g.html#22 303x, idals, dat, disk head settle, 
and other rambling folklore
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004d.html#75 DASD Architecture of the future
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004e.html#33 The attack of the killer mainframes
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004p.html#29 FW: Is FICON good enough, or is it 
the only choice we get?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005e.html#13 Device and channel
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005n.html#1 Cluster computing drawbacks
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005r.html#14 Intel strikes back with a parallel 
x86 design
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005r.html#55 IBM 3330
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005u.html#22 Channel Distances
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005u.html#23 Channel Distances
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006i.html#34 TOD clock discussion
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006u.html#19 Why so little parallelism?

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