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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Timothy Sipples
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 11:25 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Mainframe vs. "Server" (Was Just another example of
mainframe costs.)
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It depends on the distribution of course, but the following popular
Linux
drivers are closed source:

NVIDIA (video)
ATI (video)
LSI Logic (storage)
some software-based modems (e.g. Lucent)
some ISDN drivers

There are others as well.  Some distributions (e.g. Debian, Ubuntu)
don't
include these drivers at all, and you have to go fetch them on your own
if
you want/need them.  Others include them as standard Web deliverables,
and
still others (e.g. Linspire) include them in their distributions.  For
NVIDIA and ATI there are open source alternatives, although
functionality
may be more limited with the alternatives.
<SNIP>

Just so we are clear here, this can be a catch-22 situation. If you have
a notebook/laptop and it needs one of the aforementioned drivers, just
how do you boot so you can install it?

Being a Linspire (and before that Lindows) user I can tell you that ATI
drivers are a pain in the neck for this very reason. And it is one of
the reasons that I'm going to pure Debian (Linspire wants you to get
married to CnR (Click-n-Run), and so DON'T provide a C/C++ compiler or
kernel source until you CNR it).

Let's put this in a "mainframe" perspective: Imagine that you have
decided on a specific type of graphics display and you have only bought
those, and you must install a specific driver to use them. So you need
to install these during system build, but you can't install a z/OS
servrpac unless you can see what you are doing... 

But these issues aren't addressed when you buy an "open" system. And
they are accepted as just the way it is for the "open" systems. Because
of lack of standards for hardware interface, software behavior, install
of drivers and other software, the hidden cost of ownership/computing
can really bite you.

Later,
Steve Thompson

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