I attended (now defunct) Computer Learning Center in Northern Virginia in
1978, right out of high school.  Like Eric mentioned, no systems
programming, but mainframe basics (bits, bytes) and Cobol, Assembler and
RPG.  All work was done on a 360/xx and punched cards.  Had to wait
overnight to get your results back (unlike today when you can debug your
syntax with the compiler by running it however many times a day.)

They taught Cobol first, which was easier to understand and code, but hard
to debug.  Then they taught us Assembler.  That's when the light bulb came
on.  It was then that I understood how to debug my Cobol and a love for
reading dumps.

Bob
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-----Original Message-----
From: Eric Bielefeld [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2007 12:18 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Did schools ever teach systems programming other than NIU was
Re: help -- ignorant new boss

I went to a technical college starting around 1971 at the Milwaukee Area
Technical College.  I took the Business Data Processing associate degree
program.  They didin't teach systems programming, but they had an excellent
program teaching Cobol, Assembler, RPG, database, PL/1, Utilities and JCL,
etc.  

Of course now, I don't think they teach anything mainframe, except maybe a
Cobol course.

Eric Bielefeld
Sr. Systems Programmer
Lands' End
608-935-4680
Dodgeville, Wisconsin


---- Clark Morris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> 
> My only computer course in college was on an IBM 650 with a 2000 word
> drum and vacuum tubes.  Most of my learning was OJT plus being sent to
> some IBM courses. My personal opinion is that the universities have
> bamboozled the business community into believing that they really
> train people for running data centers.
> >
> >As Martha Stewart would say; 
> >"Dinosaur-speed is a GOOD thing.....ay there, sonny?!"
> >
> >
> >TTFN,
> >Mark Young

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