On 6/27/07, Kenneth E Tomiak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

If this company being asked to test the SysProgs is legit, they could always
corrupt their own system, then back up the dump to tape and ask the
SysProg to shoot the bug they caused by doing unnatural acts.

Those things get much less disruptive when you can use z/VM for it. I
was recently talking to a z/OS customer who considered running z/OS
systems under z/VM for training. You could certainly extend that to
break a system on purpose. Back when we were using RVA, I had a setup
that allowed for a clone of the production system to test recovery
procedures.
With z/VM you can do that during office hours (or from home in the
evening) and you can leave it for a while when more urgent matters
show up. That does not have the pressure of a real crisis, but I don't
think you train fire fighters by burning down a house with folks
inside...

We used to have a collection of such things folks could take to hone
their skills when they had a few hours to spare. Like debugging a nice
dump, or get hold of a system with a broken RACF database, set up a
network with a few subareas, etc. But ran out of folks wanting to
learn and/or have hours to spare...

Rob

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