On 6/27/07, Kenneth E Tomiak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
If this company being asked to test the SysProgs is legit, they could always corrupt their own system, then back up the dump to tape and ask the SysProg to shoot the bug they caused by doing unnatural acts.
Those things get much less disruptive when you can use z/VM for it. I was recently talking to a z/OS customer who considered running z/OS systems under z/VM for training. You could certainly extend that to break a system on purpose. Back when we were using RVA, I had a setup that allowed for a clone of the production system to test recovery procedures. With z/VM you can do that during office hours (or from home in the evening) and you can leave it for a while when more urgent matters show up. That does not have the pressure of a real crisis, but I don't think you train fire fighters by burning down a house with folks inside... We used to have a collection of such things folks could take to hone their skills when they had a few hours to spare. Like debugging a nice dump, or get hold of a system with a broken RACF database, set up a network with a few subareas, etc. But ran out of folks wanting to learn and/or have hours to spare... Rob ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html

