But why solve the problems?  "Pre-validation" in this
sense could be renamed "let's try a few things to see
if we're close to guessing the password"  We currently
have this issue in our shop.  Us security types look at
it as "working as designed."  

Three strikes and you're out exists for a reason.  In
baseball you don't get pretend swings to determine if a
pitch is in the strike zone (apologies to non-US, non
Caribbean, non Japan, non Taiwan colleagues).

The app you are suggesting appears to be a hacking tool
in disguise.  (looks like a duck, walks like a duck,
quacks like a duck..........)  

-----Original Message-----
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Crow
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 6:30 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: pre-validating RACF userids and passwords
in application.

>-----Original Message-----
>From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf >Of Kenneth E Tomiak
>Sent: 12 July 2007 00:07
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: Re: pre-validating RACF userids and passwords
in application.

>>
>>
>>What I may do is to have a button like "Validate host
/ userid / 
>>password" so that the user can click that and attempt
to connect to
the
>>host using the given userid and password. If the
logon fails, I'll 
>>report that to the user. If the user doesn't want to
valid at that
time,
>>then it is his problem if the ftp fails later on.
That's what I'm
trying
>>to avoid.
>>
>>--
>
>If that validation fails it still counts as a strike
against the number
of >invalid 
>attempts. An easy way to get the userid revoked. You
know how impatient

>clickers are, they can click quicker than your
application can respond.
>

If the application is used to ftp several datasets with
a fat finger-ed password then you could use up all your
strikes in one go.

Any one submitted a job with several steps each
(N)FTP-ing a dataset and forgot the global change of
password. BTDTGTS.

The validate user/password button could save a lot of
problems.

Brian

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