>   Your reply to my last two paragraphs significantly 
>skews my position. 

My comments weren't specifically directed to your statements, but rather to the 
general sense that seems to permeate this thread.

>That is the kind of education that is the responsibility of the companies; 
>it's almost >impossible for an individual to obtain. 

I have to disagree.  Many senior systems prorammers had no mentors because 
there was literally no one senior enough to have had the experiences.  In 
addition, the opportunity to learn from "hands on" was significantly more 
restricted than it is today.

>Any mainframe company without sufficient expertise is bad for all of us.  
>Mainframes >already get bad press.

While I can appreciate the sentiment, I think you're overstating the case by a 
fair amount.  "Good" press or "bad" press isn't likely to occur based on any of 
the arguments you're advancing.  If people can't see the "good" in forty-plus 
years of achievement, then they're not likely to see it in a well-run data 
center or anything else for that matter.  In addition, you're assuming that 
there is enough factual reporting and discrimination on the part of the reader 
to distinguish a mainframe outage from any other platform.  

Whether or not the mainframe does well, will depend far more on political 
decisions than technical ones, but that's a different agenda and a different 
issue.

Once again, those organizations that will require mainframes will keep them, 
while those that don't will have multiple choices.  Honestly, the discussion 
about mainframes isn't being very precise, since the majority of the people on 
this forum are concerned about z/OS and not mainframes.  In many cases, a 
mainframe running another operating system would be considered as big a loss as 
anything.

Perhaps instead of worrying so much about answering questions, we should be 
asking them to expand our own horizons.

Adam

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