> This has been a pretty well kept secret, at least in IBM circles.  Many did 
> not know of its
existence.

Giggle.  Snort!

Online since July 2005:

http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.isham-research.co.uk/mainframe_2008.html

(I have to admit I was taken aback that I posted that so long ago.)

17?

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  Phil Payne
  http://www.isham-research.co.uk
  +44 7833 654 800

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