> On 31 Oct 2007 09:20:20 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main Howard Brazee wrote: > > >"Engineer" as a title > > > >In some countries of Continental Europe and Latin America the title is > >limited by law to people with an engineering degree, and the use of the > >title by others (even persons with much work experience) is illegal. In > >Italy the title is limited to people who, besides holding an engineering > >degree, have passed a professional abilitation exam (Esame di Stato). > > > >Laws exist in all U.S. states, Canada and in South Africa which limit > >the use of several engineer titles, particularly the title of > >"Professional Engineer," and often also titles indicating a specific, > >regulated branch of engineering, such as "civil engineer" or "mechanical > >engineer." Most U.S. states do not restrict unlicensed persons from > >calling themselves an "engineer" or indicating branches or specialties > >not covered by the licensing acts, though the legal situation regarding > >the title of "engineer" in Canada is unsettled. > > What about historical uses - such as the guy who drives the Train? > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- That is also mentioned in the same Wikipedia article.
"In the United States, the term "engineer" is also used to denote an operator of an engine of some sort, e.g., a railroad engineer denotes the operator of a locomotive, a ship's engineer denotes the operator of the steam engine on a steamship, and a stationary engineer is normally responsible for a stationary steam engine. Occasionally "title inflation" results in non-engineers holding jobs with "engineer" in the job title. For example, the term "field engineer" is often used to describe manufacturers' (or third party) supplied installers and/or maintainers of (complex) equipment at a user's site. However, they are not commonly degreed engineers." Also in the same article there is this. You can't call yourself a Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer in Canada. I would guess that applies to the term Software Engineer also. As the holder of an actual electrical engineering degree (although no longer used) I applaud that. I am now a capacity planner, not a capacity planning engineer. It takes more than a few months study to get a true engineering degree. "In Canada, the usage of the term "engineer" to describe holders of professional certification is not legally permitted. The Canadian Council of Professional Engineers mounted an extended campaign to get Microsoft to renounce use of the word "engineer" in the title of their certification.[5] A 2001 reader survey by Microsoft Certified Professional magazine found that over half of respondents supported changing the name of the MCSE to remove the word "engineer".[6]" Tom Kelman ***************************************************************************** If you wish to communicate securely with Commerce Bank and its affiliates, you must log into your account under Online Services at http://www.commercebank.com or use the Commerce Bank Secure Email Message Center at https://securemail.commercebank.com NOTICE: This electronic mail message and any attached files are confidential. The information is exclusively for the use of the individual or entity intended as the recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, copying, printing, reviewing, retention, disclosure, distribution or forwarding of the message or any attached file is not authorized and is strictly prohibited. If you have received this electronic mail message in error, please advise the sender by reply electronic mail immediately and permanently delete the original transmission, any attachments and any copies of this message from your computer system. ***************************************************************************** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
