[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ted MacNEIL) writes:
> That's why there can be a 'double paging' penalty for a LINUX (or
> z/OS, or z/VM, or...).
>
> z/VM, and its predecessors, has always had the capability to defines
> more storage than is on the box.
>
> It even has swap files.

i had other problems with the os/vs2 group (initially svs before it
morphed into mvs).

one was all the stuff about LRU replacement algorithms and what it
met. lots of posts on the subject
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#wsclock

early on, the pok performance modeling group had discovered on a page
fault that if it selected "non-changed" pages (for replacement) before
"changed" pages ... there wouldn't need the overhead of doing a write
before the read. i tried to convince them it would be violated
fundamental tenents of LRU replacement paradigm. It wasn't until well
into MVS releases that somebody pointed out that they were selecting for
replacement, high-use, non-changed, system/shared executable pages,
before (lower use) private application data pages (which were
changed/modified).

another issue isn't just the double paging overhead ... there is the
possibility that a virtual guest is running a LRU-like replacement
algorithm and selecting a real page with a low use virtual page for
replacement (to be refreshed with the missing page). VM may also be
doing LRU-like replacement algorithm and noticed (also) that the guest's
real page (virtual machine virtual page) hadn't been recently used and
selected it for replacement. The pathelogical problem is that the guest
may always be deciding it needs one of its real pages (because the
corresponding virtual pages weren't being used) moments after VM has
decided to remove the corresponding guest virtual machine page from real
storage .... aka running a virtual guest's LRU-like replacement
algorithm can violate the premise behind LRU replacement ... since the
guest's real page that corresponds to the guest's least recently used
virtual page has some probability of being the next page that the guest
might actually decide to use

misc. past posts in thread:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007r.html#56 CSA 'above the bar'
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007r.html#62 CSA 'above the bar'
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007r.html#64 CSA 'above the bar'

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