Has IBM canceled its commitment to the P390 ? Have they developed a
64bit equivalent yet? I know very little about this, but I almost bought
myself one, but I was not a registered developer, so I could not get SW
upgrades. I am sure that is training instances / developers register,
IBM will still allow them to run the software, there is a 5mip machine
on your desk for training purposes.

Regards

Herbie


-----Original Message-----
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Lindy Mayfield
Sent: 04 Desember 2007 07:21 nm
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: T3 Sues IBM To Break its Mainframe Monopoly

Good points.  Here are my opinions.

First, you cannot really seriously run z/OS and call it a mainframe
without comparable hardware.  So in essence the use of the software is
for training, development and other similar purposes.  A copy of Windows
on the other hand is the real thing.

Second IBM already has a PWD system in place where they allow their z/OS
software to be used just for those purposes.  There are some issues
about emulators that, try as I might, I just cannot understand.

And as a PWD member I already can download copies of DB2, Websphere,
Tivoli and a ton of other software for Windows, HP, AIX and even Linux.


IBM has the right idea there.  As professionals we are more likely to
use and promote the use of software that we are familiar with.  I can
just as easily recommend to a potential customer to use BEA WebLogic and
Postgres on HP-UX instead of WebSphere and DB2 on AIX.  

If it sounded like I think that IBM should put z/OS 1.9 on a FTP site
for public download like Linux or MySQL then I wasn't clear.  Their PWD
system is ok, they should just loosen up a bit.

Lindy

> -----Original Message-----
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Van Dalsen, Herbie
> Sent: 4. joulukuuta 2007 20:15
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: T3 Sues IBM To Break its Mainframe Monopoly
> 
> Lindy,
> 
> I agree with all the points you made below, but...
> 
> Surely the copy of windows that you are running is fully licensed?
> Why expect IBM to give it away for free. Dell gives discounts on
> desktops to employees of companies that buy enough Dell servers from
> them, but they do not give it away for free, and you still need to
> include at least an OEM license for Windows. In my Opinion, if you
look
> at the true meaning of copyright - it means that like reading a book,
it
> cannot be done by more than one person at any given time without
buying
> a second copy - everyone should be allowed to use their office license
> at home, because no-one is going to use their office copy while they
> aren't there... Yet, does Microsoft allow this... certainly not.
Again,
> why expect it from IBM.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Herbie

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