On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 18:27:56 -0600 Ed Gould said: > >But to your answer thats fine but IBM is not doing real education (ie >assembler) or any other low level language in colleges (to the best >of my knowledge). How else do you think these future people will >support LINUX? PLX? hahaha IBM does *NOT* externalize it. So how can >they teach it?
IBM has never done "real education ... in colleges". The content of courses is a matter for college's and university's faculty. It's a small matter called academic freedom. Often people poke fun at it, but it is a division of labor based on expertise, much like any other business. However, to say IBM has done nothing would be completely unfair. They've done a lot to promote assembler and z/OS via the IBM Scholastic Alliance. They have provided teaching modules. They've provided resources, and they support the System z Knowledge Center, a place where colleges and universities can use a z/OS system to teach System z skills, at no charge to the colleges and universities. The colleges and universities have to WANT to teach System z skills (see above re academic freedom). Having businesses asking for such skills via college career service offices helps immensely. Now, I'm not a totally neutral observer in this. One of my hats is to support the Knowledge Center here at Marist. Do we teach System z Assembler? Yes. Is it required in all CS degrees? No. Do all students take it? No. (see employers recruiting via career services office above) > > >In order to read source you must understand the language teaching >people COBOL does not qualify them to read a source level OS (unless >its written in COBOL ((thank heaven for that)). ahhh of course there >is JAVA that will get you laughed right out of the US. I just see Hardly. There are a lot of employeers recruiting for Java skills. We even have several systems, supporting mission critical (to us) systems totally written in Java. If I didn't tell you that it was in Java, you wouldn't know. We've moved the system around from Intel to System z. We'll also play with it on System p at some point. We've also moved another application from Linux on System p to Linux on System z, and the vendor that supports the application would not have known if we had not told them. >*NO* reasonable amount of people being available to take over LINUX >support in the say 20 year time frame. Oh wait we will start I don't know where you get this. When I have a job opening for Linux support, I get 5-10 times the number of applications as I do for z/OS jobs, and the average skill level is higher. In part, that is due to the lack of availability of people to get access to a z/OS to play on their own time, but let's not revisit that rabbit hole again now. >tomorrow.... give me a break IBM has been shutting down education >support for the last say 18 years (maybe before) and now they are >magically going to come up with 20,000 (guess) people to support >LINUX within 20 years? Maybe in INDIA (or China) not in most other >parts of the world. I won't go into the issues of the US government >running their super TS applications on code that was written in a >foreign country. That leaves the US government having to write and >design their own OS , boy are we in trouble. Well, Red Flag Linux exists for a reason. > >Ed /ahw ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
