Thanks Ituriel, In this case, I'm the software house - well at least a contractor. I've never worked with Changeman before, so I'm learning lots about it. When I'm done with this contract in 3 months or so, maybe someone else will hire me as a contractor to update their Changeman software. Ituriel - I don't think I would want to go to your shop - only US companies.
I did get one reply off list from a gentleman at Changeman. He was helpful, but confirmed my suspicions that there isn't a lot of automated help available. Changeman is a great product. It would be better if they automated some of the customization from release to release. Eric ---- ITURIEL DO NASCIMENTO NETO <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We do have Changeman too and upgrading process is always a concern. > Every time we need to upgrade, we hire the software house to do all > the steps, and i think that, even they are afraid to migrate. > > Atenciosamente / Regards / Saludos > > Ituriel do Nascimento Neto > Banco Bradesco S/A > 4254/DPCD Alphaville > Engenharia de Software - Sistemas Operacionais Mainframes > > | > |I'm installing Changeman ZMF 5.6.2 at Aviva. I'm just curious > |how other people go about upgrading this software. I've been > |working on this for about a month now. It seems like there > |are no automated tools to recustomize everything. We are > |coming from release 5.3.6. These are some of my > |concerns: > | > |There are several custom libraries, where all of your specific > |site cusomization goes. When running the product, the custom > |libraries are concatenated in front of the product libraries > |distributed with the system. Two of the libraries with the > |greatest number of changes are the Panel libraries and the > |Skeleton libraries. As far as I can tell, Serena offers no > |tools to automate, or partially automate the upgrades. I have > |been using the M+R (Merge + Reconcile) option, where I bring > |up the base skeleton, the new skeleton, and our previously > |customized skeleton library to see where the changes are, and > |where the new changes in the new release go. This helps a > |lot, but it is very tedious. Actually, I just finished the > |skeletons yesterday, although I have yet to start testing > |them. The skeletons and panels seem to be the biggest sources > |of change and customization work. > | > |The other part that seems really time consuming is setting up > |the test system. We have a test system, but currently it is > |in use for some other changes we are putting in, so I have set > |up my own system. According to the scheduler here, you pretty > |much have to reenter all of your applications and all of your > |libraries by hand. He did the last 2 upgrades, but they hired > |me to do this because he can't devote the time needed for the > |upgrade. Reentering all of your applications and all of your > |libraries means tons of screen printing, and lots of manual > |entry. I would think Serena would have come up with a way to > |do this semiautomatically, just changing some of the dataset > |names. I talked to Serena about this a couple of times. They > |say DON'T COPY the VSAM files, because you will screw up your > |production system while testing, and they don't have any > |programs to help you do this. > | > |Does anyone have any automated tools they would be willing to share? > | > |Thanks, > | > |Eric Bielefeld > | -- Eric Bielefeld Systems Programmer Aviva USA Des Moines, Iowa 515-645-5153 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
