Well, I hate to argue with Ted as he's more often correct than not. But, if it's a SMS managed volume, uncataloged is out. Even when you somehow get a dataset on an SMS volume in an uncataloged state, it hard to do anything with it.
Dave Gibney Information Technology Services Washington State University > -----Original Message----- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of Ted MacNEIL > Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 2:33 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Renaming z/OS packs > > ISPF 3.4 > Again, rather than b**ch, show me an example where it doesn't work. > I'm no longer at the company where I did this 20 years ago. > But, we hasd to do it to recover in an emergency. > > - > Too busy driving to stop for gas! > > -----Original Message----- > From: Scott Rowe <[email protected]> > > Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 17:17:02 > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: Renaming z/OS packs > > > For starters, how do you expect to rename an uncataloged VSAM dataset? > > >>> Ted MacNEIL <[email protected]> 2/12/2009 4:55 PM >>> > Prove me wrong. > Copy a VSAM dataset. > Uncatalogue it. > Copy to a new pack, and a new high-level! > Tell me I can't re-catalogue it. > Something to show it can't be done. > > Show me where, if the catalogue or the dsn is different, is not able to > be done. > > I've done the following: > > Uncatalogue VSAM > Undefine its high level > Redefine the high level > Recatalogue > > Many times. > > What is the problem? > > An ICF catalogue only points to a dsn and a volume. > A VSAM dataset does not need to be redefined just because you cloned > the volume. > Of course, it needs a different HLQ. > > - > Too busy driving to stop for gas! > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ted MacNEIL <[email protected]> > > Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 21:46:13 > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: Renaming z/OS packs > > > I don't understand your comment. > You can/i have renamed/moved VSAM datasets withouit touching the > catalogue. > The descriptors are in the VTOC/VVDS/VTOCIX. > Why do I need to use the catalogue? > I've done it. > Need I say more? > > ------Original Message------ > From: Scott Rowe > Sender: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > To: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > ReplyTo: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > Sent: Feb 12, 2009 16:12 > Subject: Re: Renaming z/OS packs > > This isn't going to improve your track record, Ted. > > >>> Ted MacNEIL <[email protected]> 2/12/2009 4:03 PM >>> > >This is different then renaming the volume the VSAM dataset is on. 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