Source RMF fields in the help text would be, ahem, helpful. :-) And if they derive from MVS control blocks those field names would be useful, too. And if MVS gets them from indeed Diagnose 204... :-)
Cheers, Martin Martin Packer zChampion, Systems Investigator & Performance Troubleshooter, IBM +44-7802-245-584 email: [email protected] Twitter / Facebook IDs: MartinPacker Blog: https://mainframeperformancetopics.com Podcast Series (With Marna Walle): https://developer.ibm.com/tv/mpt/ or https://itunes.apple.com/gb/podcast/mainframe-performance-topics/id1127943573?mt=2 Youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCu_65HaYgksbF6Q8SQ4oOvA From: Rob Scott <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Date: 26/06/2020 16:07 Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: SDSF CPU L/Z Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <[email protected]> Terri, I think the SDSF doc could be a bit clearer in this area, but the numbers you quoted do not mean what you think they mean. There is some extra help text in the "CPU and SIO fields" section of the help for the DA command (at the end of the help for the content of the fields). Taking the xx/yy numbers : (o) xx - This is SRM's native view of CPU% busy of the local system without factoring in any LPAR weights from PR/SM. For example, if over a period of 100 seconds, PR/SM gave this system a grand total of 10 CPU seconds (and 90 seconds to other LPARs) and this system was busy for 5 seconds then the CPU% would be 50%. Think of this as a SRM being blissfully unaware of other LPARs in the CEC and behaving like an old-school single MVS system. (o) yy - This is the CPU% factoring in LPAR weighting. Using the above trivial example, this would be 5. SDSF does not perform any calculations in this area - we just report what we get back from RMF for these two numbers. I will look to see if we can improve the help text. Rob From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Shaffer, Terri Sent: Friday, June 26, 2020 3:26 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: SDSF CPU L/Z EXTERNAL EMAIL Thanks Rob, So NO to the first 2, as we run with hardly any usermods or customizations. Number 3 is partially true. The 2 UBS2T* Jobs are running on ACW5, But that is reflected by the 45/29 number is my display. 45 is my total across the sysplex and 29 is the local lpar. Ms Terri E Shaffer Senior Systems Engineer, z/OS Support: ACIWorldwide - Telecommuter H(412-766-2697) C(412-519-2592) [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> -----Original Message----- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <[email protected]< mailto:[email protected]>> On Behalf Of Rob Scott Sent: Friday, June 26, 2020 9:38 AM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: SDSF CPU L/Z External Email Terri, The native SDSF 2.2 code populates the title line from the local system CPU usage. A couple of possibilities exist that could explain what you are seeing : 1. You have an ISFUSER exit that alters the title line (possible - but not common) 2. You have a local replacement/modification for ERBSMFI or ERB2XDGS on your 2.2 system that is not installed on your 2.4 system (unlikely). 3. Your 2.2 system is getting the lion's share of CPU resources (maybe via LPAR definitions), or is naturally a much busier system so that it permanently shows a higher local CPU% which does not look out of place when SYSNAME=* is in effect and you sort DA by CPU% descending. If none of the above apply, please feel free to update the PMR and maybe we can take a look at some trace options and other diagnostics. Rob From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <[email protected]< mailto:[email protected]>> On Behalf Of Shaffer, Terri Sent: Friday, June 26, 2020 2:02 PM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: SDSF CPU L/Z EXTERNAL EMAIL Rob, My question, was does anyone else see this behavior? And yes that was my point of sysname=* I think it should total all lpars, like I see in my z/OS 2.2 lpar and display. But you can see in my z/OS 2.4 lpar, I only get an lpar view. And yes I opened up the SR because it looked like an issue, but from what she stated and you said its working as designed, but not what I see. I can also tell my cut/paste because IBM list doesn't maintain columns you cant really tell the CPU column. Ms Terri E Shaffer Senior Systems Engineer, z/OS Support: ACIWorldwide - Telecommuter H(412-766-2697) C(412-519-2592) [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]< mailto:[email protected]%3cmailto:[email protected] >> -----Original Message----- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <[email protected]< mailto:[email protected]< mailto:[email protected]%3cmailto:[email protected]>>> On Behalf Of Rob Scott Sent: Friday, June 26, 2020 8:47 AM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]< mailto:[email protected]%3cmailto:[email protected]>> Subject: Re: SDSF CPU L/Z External Email Terri You have SYSNAME set to "*" - which means the rows are for all address spaces on all systems. The title line only shows CPU% for the local system. You also state that you are seeing a discrepancy in 2.3, however the 2.3 DA code uses the same methods as 2.2. I see that you have a PMR open for this - can I suggest we discuss this further in there rather than IBM-Main? Rob From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <[email protected]< mailto:[email protected]< mailto:[email protected]%3cmailto:[email protected]>>> On Behalf Of Shaffer, Terri Sent: Friday, June 26, 2020 1:29 PM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]< mailto:[email protected]%3cmailto:[email protected]>> Subject: Re: SDSF CPU L/Z EXTERNAL EMAIL Interesting because that's not what I am seeing.. SDSF DA ACWA (ALL) PAG 0 CPU/L 4/ 1 LINE 815-826 (826)z/OS 2.4 LPAR COMMAND INPUT ===>, ,SCROLL ===>,C PREFIX=* DEST=(ALL) OWNER=* SORT=CPU%/A SYSNAME=* NP ,JOBNAME ,DP,Real,Paging, SIO, CPU%,ASID,ASIDX, EXCP-Cnt, CPU-Time , TCPIP , FE 14T 0.00 0.001.01 78 004E 12918 9250.83 , ZFS , FE 634T 0.00 1.75 1.07 49 0031 22602696 5441.27 , NFSC , FE 72T 0.00 0.00 1.13 66 0042 289157 29189.68 , QZ77EVTL, F2 572 0.00 342.50 1.30 130 0082 4688161 454.80 , C8QBMSTR, FE 29T 0.00 863.00 1.40 41 0029 117138340 6337.83 , UBS2EVTA, F0 55T 0.00 269.00 2.60 264 0108 12993387 2005.01 , NFSC , FE 1M 0.00 0.00 2.93 39 0027 71333 17037.59 ,T SPAXAA6, F4 54T 0.00 0.00 3.46214 00D6 58211 4888.83 , TSPQEBA6, F0 39T 0.00 4113.5 4.65 157 009D 248680399 6875.79 , TSOJXSA5, F4 37T 0.00 0.00 6.86 350 015E 2123259 3352.63 , UBS2TDAL, E6 10T 0.00 15177 13.86 320 0140 534324805 7649.91 , UBS2TDAL, E6 10T 0.00 16494 14.73 259 0103 537388749 7603.17 SDSF DA ACW5 (ALL) PAG 0 CPU/L 45/ 29 LINE 813-825Z/OS 2.2 COMMAND INPUT ===>, ,SCROLL PREFIX=* DEST=(ALL) OWNER=* SORT=CPU%/A SYSNAME=* NP ,JOBNAME ,Pos,DP,Real,Paging, SIO, CPU%,ASID,ASIDX, EXCP-Cnt TCPIP NS FE 14T 0.00 0.00 1.27 78 004E 12918 BBOS010 NS F0 75T 0.00 338.53 1.52 141 008D 7705735 , QZ77EVTL IN F2 572 0.00 372.08 1.58 130 0082 4682243 , C8QBMSTR NS FE 29T 0.00 937.32 1.70 41 0029 117123444 EYUCAS31 NS EE 2106 0.00 0.00 2.06 87 0057 909 , UBS2EVTA IN F2 55T 0.00 335.48 2.59 264 0108 12988064 TSPAXAA6 IN F2 54T 0.00 0.00 3.16 214 00D6 58211 , NFSC NS FE 1M 0.00 0.00 3.58 39 0027 71333 TSPQEBA6 IN F0 39T 0.00 4469.0 5.59 157 009D 248609323 TSOJXSA5 IN F2 37T 0.00 0.00 6.46 350 015E 2123259 , UBS2TDAL IN E6 10T 0.00 15428 12.91 259 0103 537122733 , UBS2TDAL IN E6 10T 0.00 16673 14.37 320 0140 534062332 Ms Terri E Shaffer Senior Systems Engineer, z/OS Support: ACIWorldwide - Telecommuter H(412-766-2697) C(412-519-2592) [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]< mailto:[email protected]%3cmailto:[email protected] < mailto:[email protected]%3cmailto:[email protected]%3cmailto:[email protected]%3cmailto:[email protected] >>> -----Original Message----- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <[email protected]< mailto:[email protected]< mailto:[email protected]%3cmailto:[email protected]< mailto:[email protected]%3cmailto:[email protected]%3cmailto:[email protected]%3cmailto:[email protected] >>>> On Behalf Of Rob Scott Sent: Friday, June 26, 2020 8:01 AM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]< mailto:[email protected]%3cmailto:[email protected]< mailto:[email protected]%3cmailto:[email protected]%3cmailto:[email protected]%3cmailto:[email protected] >>> Subject: Re: SDSF CPU L/Z External Email Terri, The CPU% in the title line is always for the local system, regardless of the SYSNAME setting - this has always been the case. You might be noticing the difference more because the DA data in 2.4 is collected centrally by the data gathering task in SDSFAUX, whereas in previous releases (including 2.3) the data was gathered by the client code. In both cases, however, the RMF sample that calculates the CPU% for the title line is different to the SDSF sample and variations will occur, especially on low to medium activity systems where the CPU consumption is not constantly high. CPU% for both the system and for a specific address space can vary greatly over sub-second intervals. The data gathering task in SDSFAUX still calls RMF for the underlying address space information. Rob Scott Rocket Software From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <[email protected]< mailto:[email protected]< mailto:[email protected]%3cmailto:[email protected]< mailto:[email protected]%3cmailto:[email protected]%3cmailto:[email protected]%3cmailto:[email protected] >>>> On Behalf Of Shaffer, Terri Sent: Friday, June 26, 2020 12:35 PM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]< mailto:[email protected]%3cmailto:[email protected]< mailto:[email protected]%3cmailto:[email protected]%3cmailto:[email protected]%3cmailto:[email protected] >>> Subject: SDSF CPU L/Z EXTERNAL EMAIL Does anyone else have this issue with the SDSF CPU Title CPU L/Z fields on reflecting the LPAR usage and not a SYSPLEX total now with z/OS 2.4? On my z/OS 2.2 lpar, if I sort on CPU% the numbers match pretty closely to the Title bar numbers, This isn't the case on my z/OS 2.3 and z/OS 2.4 lpars. I have checked my SYSTEM NAME and Filters and it seems internally its always using the lpar specific CPU %. I know in SDSF 2.4 and I think also 2.3, they gather these number thru SDSFAUX instead of I think it was RMF. Trying to figure out if this is a setup issue in my shop or a bigger issue? 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