Are you saying there was ..... PHAR MOR going on than met the eyes? Chris Hoelscher Lead Sys DBA IBM Global Technical Services on assignmemt to Humana Inc. T 502.476.2538 or 502.407.7266
-----Original Message----- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Bill Johnson Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2021 11:48 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [IBM-MAIN] Are these auditors competent? was Re: Anyway to save ISRDDN output? [External Email: Use caution with links and attachments] I worked for a company 30 years ago that at the time was part of the largest fraud in corporate history. The CEO and executives had 2 sets of books. The auditors were actively involved with the fraud. Anyone who has been around for a few decades remembers that a number of the big 6 auditing firms were involved with fraudulent corporate activities. The company was Phar Mor. The CEO was Mickey Monus who went to prison for 10 years. The auditing firm was Coopers and Lybrand. I worked with some of the people from Deloite who came in to help clean up the bankruptcy that ensued from the fraud. I ran reports using Easytrieve to tally up the almost 500 million in debt we had no intention of paying. Many of the "auditors" who were running around the corporate office like rats in a sinking ship were only there to extract $200 an hour from the Debtor in Possession financing that bankrupt companies acquire. The one "auditor" I worked with was barely out of college and was computer illiterate. Her accounting skills were limited as well. IBM fanboy On Tuesday, February 23, 2021, 9:40:02 AM EST, Radoslaw Skorupka <[email protected]> wrote: W dniu 23.02.2021 o 00:44, Radoslaw Skorupka pisze: > W dniu 21.02.2021 o 19:55, Paul Gilmartin pisze: >> On Sun, 21 Feb 2021 18:23:03 +0100, Radoslaw Skorupka wrote: >>>> ... >>>> When the only tool you've mastered is printscreen, everything looks >>>> like a bitmap. >>> That was the requirement: to make Windows printscreen - a bitmap. >>> Did I forgot to mention it's plain stupid? >>> >> You mentioned that the volume requested was plain stupid. >> >> A possible justification for a bitmap beyond the requestor's >> ignorance is that your setup involves an elaborate macro for an >> emulator not supporting capture as text. >> >> And the emulator authors' justification for not supporting text >> capture is that resources are better spent supporting that macro >> language given that the OS supports graphic capture. >> >> But we were using Hummingbird Exceed which has text capture. >> Simply, most users didn't care to learn the technique. > > No! > No, and no! > You assumed the auditor know the details and understand what emulator is. > That's plain wrong. > I learnt many years ago such auditors are uneducated, but they mask > their ignorancy with some mask. This is complex topic, I cannot > describe it clearly in English. Explanation: I should say *some* auditors are so uneducated. Or "there are such auditors". There are also reasonable auditor, and even with very small or none mainframe knowledge they may do quite good job. Of course it depends on who's paying for the audit and what the expectations are. First - managers don't want to spend money if they do not have to. 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