Unfortunate but true -- causing more irritation than solving real problems , 
BAD programming (making any platform look bad)

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Ron,
My opinion is that IBM is just as bad now that they are 'cloud eccentric'. 
(Yes, play on words, not a misspelling.)

Tony Thigpen

Ron Wells wrote on 10/21/21 9:05 AM:
> IBM needs to push back in Marketing , be more forceful stop the lies-
> smoke and mirrors
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> Agree-
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> Understanding TCO is extremely important, yet frequently overlooked. 
> Management sometimes doesn’t care or isn’t smart enough to determine it. My 
> last boss only cared about initial cost, which he could take to his boss and 
> say “see, I saved you $10,000” even though in 5 years he likely cost the 
> company $50,000 in lost productivity, downtime, or other issues he didn’t 
> factor in. Of course, my last boss was a Unix guy with zero knowledge of the 
> mainframe and no desire to learn or take recommendations from his mainframe 
> staff of 5 who combined had almost 200 years of experience.
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> On Thursday, October 21, 2021, 8:44 AM, Ron Wells 
> <000002ebc63ff5ef-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
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> Marketing BS for the UNEDUCATED MGNT that only look at the $$ and does not 
> know or understand TRUE TCO.
> %
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> Does anyone out there know what is meant by the expression "Mainframe 
> Modernization' '? It seems  to be catching on with the Bobs but when you ask 
> exactly how they propose to modernize their systems all you get is silence. 
> As in if you don"know we shouldn't even be talking about it.
> Any ideas ? Or is it just more BS like 'cloud' or 'devops'?
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