Oh.  Well, ok.  But I've been reluctantly using IBM documents in PDF form for, 
I dunno, maybe a few years now.  Need me to send you a link or two?

---
Bob Bridges, [email protected], cell 336 382-7313

/* I'm supposed to respect my elders, but its getting harder and harder for me 
to find one now. */

-----Original Message-----
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <[email protected]> On Behalf Of 
Colin Paice
Sent: Sunday, November 7, 2021 13:52

In answer to your question...  I was serious when I asked for PDFs.
I've been to customer sites where I do not get local access to the internet 
(even touching their keyboards is a major sin).
I've had to access the web, through my phone, attached to my laptop. Some IBM 
web sites were taking over 1 minutes to display a page.

When this page has something like just

   1. Click here for required parameters
   2. Click here for optional parameters

...It is really frustrating.

I like to run with things on my local machine.  I also like to annotate, and 
bookmark within documents.  Some of my paper manuals had lots of different 
coloured stickies for my favourite topics.

Also with IBM documents you get many hits - because it searches the whole of 
IBM or book shelf and it takes you many seconds to find the relevant one.  It 
used to give you hits for 4 different releases of the same "manual"

When HTLM has caught up, I'll look at it again.

So yes, PDF for me please.

--- On Sun, 7 Nov 2021 at 14:37, Bob Bridges <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Are you being facetious?", in other words.  Facetism (which is how I 
> spell "fa-SEE-shiz-m") is closely related to sarcasm, except the tone 
> is serious; the hearer is expected to understand that the intent is not.
>
> Also, I suppose, sarcasm usually has an element of hostility in it; 
> facetism often doesn't.  At least that's how I distinguish the two.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: zMan
> Sent: Saturday, November 6, 2021 18:37
>
> "facetism"?? fetishism? fascism? fetishist fascism? (is that last one
> redundant?)
>
> --- On Fri, Nov 5, 2021 at 12:45 PM Bob Bridges wrote:
> > I can't tell, Colin:  Is this facetism?  Some months ago, or maybe a 
> > year, I found I was no longer able to access the on-line HTMLs; I 
> > had to content myself with downloaded PDFs (and hope that I'd 
> > remember to download the updates as often as necessary).  It is 
> > nice, I agree, to know that the documentation I've remembered to 
> > download is at my fingertips even when my internet connection is 
> > down.  Not so great to know that I can't look up something new 
> > during that time.  And I really liked the HTML search function; the 
> > analogue in PDFs isn't as
> > useful.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Colin Paice
> > Sent: Friday, November 5, 2021 10:03
> >
> > I find the IBM Doc site very slow (10 seconds to get into it) - not 
> > a good advertisement for IBM servers.   (most of the time "scripting")
> > I hope they provide PDF's rather than just web pages.

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