Not sure if anyone saw that Oracle Chairman Larry Ellison, during the investors earnings call yesterday, trolled AWS saying the Oracle cloud doesn’t go down. Oracle up almost 15% today on stellar earnings and guidance.
Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Thursday, December 9, 2021, 11:59 PM, David Crayford <[email protected]> wrote: On 8/12/21 9:34 pm, Bodra - Pessoal wrote: > Just a very simple question: They know word CONTINGENCY and data MIRROR? Of course they do. Cloud computing providers allow you to set availability zones on different data centeres and they replicate. Like most It outages I suspect human error just like Facebook a couple of months ago. You can build the most reliable infrastructure in the world but if a human is involved you are always in danger of an outage. > > Most of mainframe installations that I know today has contingency plans, > mirror backup links, backup power sources etc... Cloud haven´t this, or is > too expensive? > > > Carlos Bodra > IBM zEnterprise Certified > São Paulo – SP – Brazil > > > -----Mensagem original----- > De: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <[email protected]> Em nome de > kekronbekron > Enviada em: quarta-feira, 8 de dezembro de 2021 10:26 > Para: [email protected] > Assunto: Re: AWS is down. > > Of course, agreed. Just saying that MF isn't the one and only, best possible > server/platform, in all of time. > What's wrong with others trying, however futile it may or may not be. > IBM sure did try when they first created the MF. > > - KB > > ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ > > On Wednesday, December 8th, 2021 at 5:45 PM, David Spiegel > <[email protected]> wrote: > >> You said: "... Did the world not exist before 1960s? >> >> Did people automatically die before 1960s because they didn't have MF? ..." >> >> Yes, the world existed before the 1960s and, no, nobody died as a result >> >> of no mainframe. >> >> You're forgetting that the world was a different place then. >> >> Computer-based patient care was not invented until 1969. >> >> I can remember going to my bank (in the 1960S) and having the teller >> >> write my transaction in my bankbook with a pen. >> >> The credit card had just been invented. Most people still wrote cheques >> >> or paid in cash. There were no ATMs until 1969. There were no cellular >> >> telephones. >> >> There was no Internet as we know it today etc. >> >> Regards, >> >> David >> >> On 2021-12-08 01:33, kekronbekron wrote: >> >>> Critical infra in some places, sure, not everyone is denying that. >>> >>> At the moment of urgent need, do people really buy something and wait for >>> MF to finish processing, for them to be then allowed to continue breathing? >>> >>> What happened to the interim stages (logstics etc). >>> >>> It sounds as though failure to buy/order something immediately is going to >>> lead to their death... is what's being said. >>> >>> Sounds pretty privileged to me. >>> >>> It also sounds like it's assumed that mainframes will last 500 years, no? >>> >>> Did the world not exist before 1960s? >>> >>> Did people automatically die before 1960s because they didn't have MF? >>> >>> Are people and organizations not allowed to be wrong (to their own >>> detriment), etc. >>> >>> Are we sure that 100% of all information out there is truth, apart from >>> this announcement that AWS wants to replace MF? >>> >>> We can all like MF, but don't need to act like it's the sole saviour of >>> humanity. >>> >>> Again that means that all technology that evolved since then is a complete >>> waste of time and people's efforts. >>> >>> Sounds pretty delusional to me... just to convey that MFs are good servers. >>> >>> - KB >>> >>> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ >>> >>> On Wednesday, December 8th, 2021 at 10:00 AM, Bill Johnson >>> [email protected] wrote: >>> >>>> AWS had a larger & longer outage today, than all the outages on the >>>> mainframes I’ve worked on in the last 30 years. Much worse. Yet, some here >>>> think AWS is going to replace the mainframe for critical applications like >>>> banking, health care, big retail, and insurance. Plus, the mainframe has >>>> had plenty of negative posts here in the decades I’ve been involved. >>>> Nobody dies when Netflix isn’t available. (One of the hits from today) >>>> people can and do die if the drugs they need aren’t available because the >>>> computer system is down. >>>> >>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone >>>> >>>> On Tuesday, December 7, 2021, 11:01 PM, kekronbekron >>>> [email protected] wrote: >>>> >>>> Not at anybody in particular: >>>> >>>> Do we have to make snide remarks because someone else had an outage? >>>> >>>> Don't we remember the times when things on the mainframe itself went south? >>>> >>>> Has every site's MF env. been 100% available through all these decades? >>>> >>>> Is it wrong to fail sometimes? >>>> >>>> Is this the attitude with which you'd like to retire, holding onto >>>> precious remarks and burning the path behind you as you leave? >>>> >>>> What does that say about one's mentality and outlook in life? >>>> >>>> - KB >>>> >>>> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ >>>> >>>> On Wednesday, December 8th, 2021 at 3:54 AM, Ronald Wells >>>>[email protected] wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Pretty pic/web pages make the $$ did you not get the memo >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> >>>>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [email protected] On Behalf Of >>>>> John McKown >>>>> >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 7, 2021 2:57 PM >>>>> >>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>> >>>>> Subject: Re: AWS is down. >>>>> >>>>> ** EXTERNAL EMAIL - USE CAUTION ** >>>>> >>>>> Oh, but they advertise that they can replace mainframe. 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