Thank you for that picture. I had totally forgotten that was
where the reset key was. I guess my problem is, even though I am
a touch typist, I screw things up enough with a 3270 device that
it is faster for me to right thumb a reset which is why I set it
over there. And it may be because the left CTRL and/or ALT
couldn't be remapped with the 3270 emulator software I had been
running on early Windows software so I just got used to the right
alt. Which I also made large use of SPF-PC and similar.
There are fewer and fewer of us that have actually used 3270
devices.
It will be the client's people. It is their laptop, and their
software they push. And I will get told again, we have 16K users
and you are the only one.... Yeah, I'm the only one that is a
z/VM capacity planner too. sigh. (why am I posting here, because
I also do TSO/ISPF REXX, SAS, and believe it or not, COBOL).
Steve Thompson
On 3/14/22 20:38, Farley, Peter x23353 wrote:
Re: "That is not where the original reset key was, was it?"
Yes it was, at least on all the "real iron" 3277/8/9 keyboards that I remember
using. Pictures of a couple of 3278 keyboards that I found:
https://vintagecomputer.ca/ibm-3277-and-3278-terminals/ibm-3278-keyboard/
https://deskthority.net/viewtopic.php?t=9365
There are lots more around the net.
I also map the Right-Ctrl key to 3270 Enter so I can hit it with my right thumb (left thumb for space bar, left pinky
for "Reset" on Left-Ctrl), and remap keyboard "Enter" to 3270 "New Line", also mirroring
the original "real iron" keyboards I used.
You have my condolences for your current problem, and the fact that it is not
just HOD having the issue surely means a Windows problem (or upgrade/patch
needed for HOD and that other software to catch up to the enforced M$ changes).
Good luck, I hope you or your employer's techies figure it out.
Peter
P.S. -- In my employer's PCOMM the "SYS ATTN" function is mapped to the Esc
key, and PA1/2 are mapped to Alt-Insert and Alt-Home (but not on the numeric pad, just to
the ones above the cursor keys). YMMV.
-----Original Message-----
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List<[email protected]> On Behalf Of
Steve Thompson
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2022 8:12 PM
To:[email protected]
Subject: Re: HOD Keyboard weirdness
Ok, I'm going to answer a few questions here:
1) I have been doing this with HOD since 2013. Any time something odd happens [wait, HOD,
odd, hmmmmm], it typically has been some security software doing something incredibly
stupid. Such as mangling the Outlook Profile because day ends in "y".
2) with #1 above, you can reboot all you want. Outlook stays broken. You
actually have to remove the offending software and build a new profile (how
would I know this? 3 guesses and the first 2 don't count).
3) Reboot? That was what finished the install of the pushed software. So yes, a
re-reboot was done.
Anyone wonder why M/S doesn't create a Windows Z release? Because that would be
the z uptime release. Get it, not zero down time, but no up time... Ok. Be that
way.
Oh, the change to the left control key. Uh no. That is not where the original
reset key was, was it? Anyhow, no, because the control key is mapped... never
mind.
You have to use that one to get PA1, PA2, ATTN.... Those are pre-mapped.
It is starting to look like something in Windows is mangled, because certain
other applications that expect one to use the arrow keys, aren't working either.
Look, it was Monday right after a time change weekend. I think even the
hardware is tired of Congress's meddling.
But, it isn't the keyboard, because it is on a KVM switch and it works just
fine with my Linux desktop, from which I am doing missives like this with/to
IBM-Main, and other emails. And it worked fine with a non-client Windows
laptop....
Regards,
Steve Thompson
ps. hope you enjoyed the attempts at humor.
On 3/14/22 17:59, Farley, Peter x23353 wrote:
Did you try mapping 3270 Reset to the Left-Ctrl key instead? That is the
mapping I have used for decades as the 3270 Reset key (PCOMM and Vista). I
have never tried to use the Alt keys to map to any 3270 key, as Windows is
really funky about use of the Alt key - sometimes it seems to know it is there
and other times not so much. It depends a whole lot on which Windows core
service HOD uses to read keys. Use the wrong service and Alt-anything may not
return anything at all, or if it does then unexpected values. BTDTGTTS from
some open-source work I once did providing a Windows keyboard interface in
previously linux-only code.
HTH
Peter
-----Original Message-----
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List<[email protected]> On
Behalf Of Steve Thompson
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2022 5:37 PM
To:[email protected]
Subject: HOD Keyboard weirdness
Hi all:
A few weeks ago at a client site, they force installed software on end
user computers (owned by the client) and since then I've been having
odd issues with HOD (Host on Demand - 3270 emulator).
Today, arrow keys are not working. And if you get into the keyboard
configuration system, you can click on "Search for a key" and it will
go to the line where that key is defined so you know what HOD thinks
it is for.
Well, the arrow keys stopped working. So these are supposedly cursor
movement keys. And striking one of them gets no response (in HOD).
They do work outside of HOD>
Last time this happened it was the right "Alt" key being ignored
(which I have defined as <Reset>. I remap a keyboard to as much as
possible emulate a true 3270 keyboard. I rebooted, I reloaded, and
didn't make a difference. Someone had me reset the key, and then it
started working. No Joy today.
Right+ALT is behaving today. But not the arrow keys.
This seems to be something going on with Windows.
Any ideas of how to cure this thing (NO, I do not have the option of
running other than HOD).
Regards,
Steve Thompson
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