An interesting question is how to tell – from RMF – if an LPAR is shutdown but not deactivated. In my own code I use the term “idle” – which means near zero CPU – as that’s the closest I know how to get.
Cheers, Martin From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> on behalf of Radoslaw Skorupka <00000471ebeac275-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> Date: Friday, 24 February 2023 at 12:24 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: SCRT and not operating LPAR Gentlemen, First, thank you for the discussion. That also helps. Ad rem: 1. The is no big reason to keep LPAR Activated, Not operating, except short time between activation and IPL or re-IPL, etc. And SCRT is IMHO not the most important reason for that. Good reasons were presented by Martin. 2. I asked mostly out of my curiosity. But it is not senseless at all, it is good to know *severity* of results of mistaken scenario. Not to say, the curiosity is good :-) 3. I did some tests. Test 1. I activated an LPAR and deactivated it few hours later. Result - the LPAR is not visible in SCRT report. No "required" statement for the LPAR. Same as for other deactivated LPARs. Test 2. I shut down the system, but the LPAR remained Activated. 8 hours later I IPLed another z/OS image in the LPAR. Result - SCRT report claims there is 8-hour hole in the SMF reporting. I have some other ideas to test, but this is real customer production, SCRT report is real, so I come off it. Regards -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland W dniu 23.02.2023 o 23:31, Pommier, Rex pisze: > Ignore my last question - you just answered it. > > Rex > > -----Original Message----- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> On Behalf Of > Pommier, Rex > Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2023 4:30 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: SCRT and not operating LPAR > > Hi Radoslaw, > > I'm not denying your experience. You got me questioning my own so I had to > go back and make sure it was working like I had expected it to. :-) I did > also misspeak. You are correct, it was an e-mail with the CSV sent as an > attachment. This was the mechanism IBM took away and they're in essence > forcing us to submit the CSV manually thru the web site. We (as I'm sure > most every company submitting SCRT) had the e-mail completely automated > (except when we had to insert comments) and then they took that away. > > Is there a reason you have these LPARs active but not IPLed? Just curiosity > and if I'm getting nosy tell me. :-) Wouldn't deactivating them stop SCRT > from reporting on them? > > Rex > > -----Original Message----- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> On Behalf Of > Radoslaw Skorupka > Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2023 4:21 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: SCRT and not operating LPAR > > As I noted things may have changed. I really tried to do it, but it was > 10+ years ago. After that I did not come back to try it again and again. > BTW: I was very first user of SCRT in Poland, it was January 2006, AFAIR. > > Actually I don't understand the way you submit reports. In the past few ways > were possible, one of them was webpage, another one was mail attachment. Then > mail was closed. > LMS webpage analyze CSV content and (see above) reject amended file. I cannot > say for today, because I did not submit SCRT report personally for several > years. > And in fact I don't care - for me there is no difference to put some > explanation in the file or on the webpage directly. I can imagine the > checksum now does cover only relevant fields, not whole file. It would make > sense. > > My current problem is Activated but not IPLed LPAR. I had discussion with my > coworker and that's why I'm asking about it. > > Regards > -- > Radoslaw Skorupka > Lodz, Poland > > > > W dniu 23.02.2023 o 23:09, Pommier, Rex pisze: >> With all due respect, I have to disagree. Granted I haven't had to >> make any explanations to LMS since IBM took away the FTP transmission >> and required us to go through the web site for transmissions, but >> before that I would add my comments to the mainframe version of the >> CSV and then directly FTP it from the mainframe to LMS, all without >> any issues. I have the prior 12 months' worth of SCRT reports on the >> mainframe and I found where I had commented in at least 3 of these >> reports and didn't have IBM reject any of them. Unless, of course, >> IBM was silently rejecting them >> >> Rex >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> On >> Behalf Of Radoslaw Skorupka >> Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2023 3:58 PM >> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU >> Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: SCRT and not operating LPAR >> >> You cannot update CSV file. There is a checksum at the bottom. Any update, >> including such comment causes the file will not be accepted by the LMS. BTDT. >> Of course it is possible to upload the file to LMS and then add >> explanations. But then IBM knows the rest of file is not amended. >> >> >> BTW: I'm pretty sure of the above. I had plenty Activated, but Not operating >> LPARs in my former shop and the reports did not require any explanation for >> that. It was kind of cloud or "on demand provisioning" - we created system + >> application instances on demand. A lot of them, quite frequently. The >> problem occured when someone forgot to archive SMF data before system >> shutdown and scratch. However it was slightly another scenario - LPAR was >> both Active and Operating, but some records were lost. >> Of course the rules may have changed. For example in the past it was >> acceptable to collect 95% (time) SMF data, but the SCRT tool could not >> accept duplicate SMF IDs. Now it's the opposite - any SMF loss causes >> explanations requirement, but SMF ID need not to be unique any longer. >> >> -- >> Radoslaw Skorupka >> Lodz, Poland >> >> >> >> W dniu 23.02.2023 o 21:33, Pommier, Rex pisze: >>> Hi John, >>> >>> Actually I think you remembered right the first time. :-) When our >>> sandbox is down for an extended period, I get the "(required)" in the CSV >>> file as well. I just change "(required)" with "LPAR down for refresh" or >>> whatever reason the LPAR isn't reporting SMF data and then send the CSV in. >>> The only times I recall having to fix the data once it gets to IBM is when >>> I forgot to update the CSV before submitting it. >>> >>> Rex >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> On >>> Behalf Of John McKown >>> Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2023 12:33 PM >>> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU >>> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: SCRT and not operating LPAR >>> >>> Misremembered. The CVS file says "(required)". When uploaded to IBM there >>> is a prompt, in red, to fill the field in. That's when I enter "not in use". >>> >>> On Thu, Feb 23, 2023, 04:52 John McKown >>> <john.archie.mck...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> We have this situation. There is a REMARKS field in the SCRT cvs file. >>>> I put the sentence "No longer in use." in that field during the >>>> generation of it on my Windows desktop. I've done that for years now >>>> with no problems with IBM. >>>> >>>> On Thu, Feb 23, 2023, 04:05 Radoslaw Skorupka < >>>> 00000471ebeac275-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: >>>> >>>>> As it is known, all the z/OS LPAR have to report SMF data to SCRT >>>>> otherwise SCRT report would contain "data missing" field for given >>>>> LPAR and explanation will be required. >>>>> What about not operating LPARs? >>>>> I mean an LPAR which is Activated, but not IPLed. Or the OS was >>>>> shut down and LPAR was reset (but still remain active). >>>>> >>>>> AFAIR there was no problem with not operating LPARs in the past - >>>>> that mean the LPARs were not included in the report. >>>>> However It seems something changed and now such LPAR will cause >>>>> "data missing" issue. >>>>> >>>>> Any clue? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Radoslaw Skorupka >>>>> Lodz, Poland >>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN Unless otherwise stated above: IBM United Kingdom Limited Registered in England and Wales with number 741598 Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hants. PO6 3AU ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
