It's neither cultural or generational - it is that the younger generation has 
been coddled too much. In prior generations you did the job, or you found 
another one. And in that job, you learned how things were done and you did them 
and once you were proficient and understood the job then you were 
allowed/encouraged to contribute suggestions on how to improve things - but you 
had to earn that right.

I first learned JCL then I learned how to do 'jobs' on a PDP-11 and then how to 
run a 'job' using a card deck on an IBM 360 model 30. All were different and I 
had to learn all of them. Just because one was different didn't mean it was 
better or worse - it was what it was. You learn things and become proficient in 
what you have.

We also had to learn the culture at the company and fit in - not the other way 
around.

Lionel B. Dyck <><
Website: https://www.lbdsoftware.com
Github: https://github.com/lbdyck

“Worry more about your character than your reputation. Character is what you 
are, reputation merely what others think you are.”   - - - John Wooden

-----Original Message-----
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <[email protected]> On Behalf Of 
Bill Giannelli
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2023 10:35 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: zOSMF and zOWE for non-mainframers

It's a cultural, generational thing also. I'm surprised I havent been asked for 
a cell phone app!
Bill

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