Growth isn’t even in doubt. Dude, you didn’t even know Poughkeepsie was in the Hudson Valley. Where IBM is investing 20 billion.
Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Saturday, May 20, 2023, 10:58 PM, zMan <zedgarhoo...@gmail.com> wrote: Nothing here says it's investing in POK, or in mainframe technology. RIF. And the tired stats about 71% of Fortune whatever using mainframes may or may not be current, and don't prove anything about growth. All you have to do is be awake to see that it's fading. Not fast--nobody thinks it's dead or even necessarily dying yet. But it's NOT growing as a platform by the meaningful metrics of users, applications, customer investment beyond keeping what they have alive. Seriously, take a look around. You want it to be one way; that doesn't mean it is. I've tried to convince myself otherwise for years, finally had to admit it wasn't happening. On Sat, May 20, 2023 at 8:00 PM Bill Johnson < 00000047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > IDK, if POK is shrinking, why is IBM investing 20 billion there? > > https://spectrumlocalnews.com/nys/central-ny/news/2022/10/05/ibm-to-announce-tech-investment-during-biden-visit > > > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > > On Saturday, May 20, 2023, 7:04 PM, zMan <zedgarhoo...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Note that "fewer mainframes" doesn't refer to fewer boxes. It refers to far > fewer SITES. Yes, there's consolidation in some industries; there still > aren't any NEW sites. You assert "IBM keeps new customers under wraps" but > if you talk to IBMers, there aren't any to keep under wraps. More wishful > thinking, I'm afraid. Unless your contention is that they're kept so secret > that the people who support them don't know about them... > > There might have been 3K folks listed as working in POK 15 months ago. IBM > just RIFfed another 7,000. Given that it was at least five years ago that > IBM was down to 25,000 domestic employees, I doubt there are 3K left in POK > by a long shot, but it's possible. If so, they aren't very busy, at least > not with zSystems stuff. In any case, ask anyone who's been there lately: > the build floor is empty. > > I've said it before, but some people don't seem to hear it, so I'll repeat: > I'm not anti-mainframe. I've been making my living off it for over four > decades, and while retirement is within view, I'm not there yet. I would > like it to be healthy and growing; all the real evidence points the other > way, no matter what IBM press releases may state. > > P.S. Sorry, Dave, zOSMF doesn't count. It's a tool. Nobody is installing a > mainframe so they can run it. We don't buy computers to run tools or > operating systems: we buy them to run applications. Big difference. > > On Sat, May 20, 2023 at 2:17 PM Bill Johnson < > 00000047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > > The facts are readily available. Mainframe growth is undeniable. And will > > be for decades to come. Will weak banks foolishly buy what airline > > magazines are selling? Of course. Bad decisions are made in the business > > world daily. Ms Hovsepian should be more concerned with her company > > (Microfocus part) desperately trying to reverse engineer CICS so they can > > justify their decision to partner with Amazon Web Services. > > > > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > > > > > On Saturday, May 20, 2023, 1:42 PM, Bob Bridges <robhbrid...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > Bill, you said "bull", which I misunderstood to mean that you disagree. > > But the article you posted in support of that opinion (or whatever it is) > > doesn't contradict the OP's article. > > > > I'm just guessing here, but maybe you've been arguing with those > > mainframe-is-dying folks so long that you no longer notice the nuances. > Ms > > Hovsepian didn't say the mainframe is dying; she said a lot of banks > > (repeat banks) are considering (repeat considering) moving to the cloud. > > > > (To be fair, it sounds like she made the same mistake. "Why the > readiness > > to 'swipe left' on their mainframe and COBOL applications?", she asks in > a > > throwaway inference.) > > > > --- > > Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 > > > > /* Perseverance is not a long race; it is many short races one after > > another. */ > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> On Behalf > > Of Bill Johnson > > Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2023 10:27 > > > > Bull. > > > https://www.flynetviewer.com/blog/20220922/global-mainframe-market-projected-grow-318-billion-2029 > > > > --- On Saturday, May 20, 2023, 4:03 AM, Jack Zukt <jzuk...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > Whatever the agenda of the writer, it still is something that is > > happening, mostly, I think, because of IBM's SW pricing strategy. > > > > --- On Fri, May 19, 2023, 20:14 Mark Regan <marktre...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > https://www.forbes.com/sites/forbesfinancecouncil/2023/03/31/are-banks > > > -breaking-up-with-mainframes/?sh=acb458b6bccc > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > > -- > zMan -- "I've got a mainframe and I'm not afraid to use it" > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- zMan -- "I've got a mainframe and I'm not afraid to use it" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
