Yes, gradual fade. So what if the mainframes supposedly process more transactions today than at any point in history? Just looking at the small number of people/sites on IBM-Main as an example, compared to the number that was here even 5 years ago. How many mainframes have been shut down that we've been made aware of here? Look at Share membership. IBM has lost the majority of their SMB sites over the years. Over the course of my career I've primarily worked at 3 sites. One no longer has a mainframe, the second and third sites are actively working at reducing their mainframe footprint with the idea of eventually getting off it. Medium size cities that used to have 10-12 mainframe sites are now down to 1-2. As IBM's mainframe business gradually shrinks, they basically have 2 options - keep raising prices on the remainder, thus giving them more incentive to get off the mainframe or drop the level of support they provide to these customers in order to keep their profit margins up. I'm not against a company making a profit but unless IBM can somehow stop the bleeding, the mainframe market will continue to shrink.
And this will be my last post on the subject so as to not clutter up the list with ancillary bickering. Rex -----Original Message----- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> On Behalf Of Bill Johnson Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2023 8:22 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: z/OSMF Gradual fade? Mainframes process more transactions now that at any point in history. And will process more 10 years from now than today. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Wednesday, June 28, 2023, 8:53 AM, Pommier, Rex <rpomm...@sfgmembers.com> wrote: Unfortunately that (pricing) train left the station a long time ago. For whatever reason IBM chose to keep the mainframe a niche product with fantastic I/O capabilities but a high price tag, thus ensuring its gradual fade. Rex -----Original Message----- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> On Behalf Of Andrew Rowley Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2023 5:37 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: z/OSMF On 27/06/2023 11:35 pm, Pommier, Rex wrote: > If a company is using a 20 MSU system and is forced to buy a 200 MSU system > because that's the smallest available, unless something drastic happens to > hardware AND software pricing, the company isn't going to be looking for > "what else can I put on this expensive and woefully underutilized machine", > they're going to be looking at "where can I move my 20 MSUs worth of > processing to get rid of this expensive machine". Again, the assumption is that the pricing was adjusted so it was not more expensive. 200 MSU was just to pick a number. It probably should be higher. What is the speed of a desktop PC these days? I am guessing my 4 year old PC is around 600-700 MSU equivalent? A Raspberry Pi about 40-60 MSU? And 4 or more cores makes a lot of problems go away. It would be good if z/OS at the low end had kept up with the performance and price improvements in the rest of the industry. -- Andrew Rowley Black Hill Software ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The information contained in this message is confidential, protected from disclosure and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, distribution, copying, or any action taken or action omitted in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to this message and destroy the material in its entirety, whether in electronic or hard copy format. Thank you. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The information contained in this message is confidential, protected from disclosure and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, distribution, copying, or any action taken or action omitted in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to this message and destroy the material in its entirety, whether in electronic or hard copy format. Thank you. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
