The relevant documentation seems to be the section ‘Determining PTKTDATS 
profile names’ in the RACF security admin guide. This has a list of rules for 
determining the name for APPC, CICS,IMS, batch jobs, TSO etc and ends the list 
with ‘Other applications’ . That last paragraph states that if there is no APPL 
coded you should use the rules for batch jobs. I would be interested to know if 
that works - if you are able to change the application the surest way would be 
to code an APPL on the RACROUTE macro.

Keith

> On 2 Aug 2023, at 21:21, Robert Garrett <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> Something that's been puzzling me:
> 
> Imagine an interactive application that requires valid user credentials (ID 
> and password) to access, but does NOT require specific authorization to the 
> application.
> In other words, the app does a RACROUTE REQUEST=VERIFY to validate 
> credentials and create the associated ACEE representing the user, but it does 
> NOT provide the APPL= parameter on the request, nor does it perform a 
> subsequent REQUEST=AUTH on an APPL resource.  In other words, if you've got a 
> valid ID/password, you can "log on" to the app - no PERMIT to the app itself 
> is required and there's also no corresponding APPL resource for it.
> 
> Now, what if I want to be able to generate pass tickets in place of passwords 
> to access this app?  Doing that requires a PTKTDATA resource whose name 
> matches the application to control pass ticket generation, but this 
> application doesn't provide a name for itself.
> Possible?
> Just plain not supported?
> Will RACF "assume" an application name (JOB/STC name, VTAM Applid, something 
> else) and use that to locate the applicable PTKTDATA resource (and if so, 
> what does it use)?
> 
> (If it matters, assume enhanced pass ticket via AES key in the ICSF CKDS).
> 
> Enquiring minds would really like an authoritative and accurate answer on 
> this one...
> 
> Thanks,
> Rob
> 
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