See also https://www.theregister.com/2023/12/02/ransomware_infection_credit_unions/   for an attack on a cloud IT provider.

  My on-line access  to the Federal Credit Union of my former employer was affected by this attack.  Rather than wait an unknown length of time for the cloud IT provider to recover before they could even begin to recover their own cloud system, they started rebuilding with a new cloud provider.   Their on-line access was unavailable for several weeks, but only their on-line Internet access was affected.  Handling of on-site transactions was unaffected and telephone support was used to bridge the gap in account Internet access.

I would suspect an incident like this for a provider of cloud servers has a very serious, possibly fatal, financial impact.  It certainly illustrates why a company that is using cloud servers should never entrust backups of their cloud virtual machines to the same service that provides the virtual machines.

    JC Ewing

On 2/11/24 22:30, Dave Beagle wrote:
One of the big drawbacks to non mainframe clouds is the ease with which they are 
hacked. AWS & Azure are hacked pretty frequently.

  
https://www.securityweek.com/microsoft-cloud-hack-exposed-more-than-exchange-outlook-emails/

https://cybernews.com/security/amazon-cloud-loses-silver-lining/




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On Sunday, February 11, 2024, 6:51 PM, Seymour J Metz <[email protected]> wrote:

With current technology, Z has the edge for I/O and RAS, but not for CPU.

What makes sense depends very much on the  business and legal requirements.

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Subject: Re: Banks migrate from mainframes to AI-driven cloud tech

Shmuel wrote:
I was thinking of zCX as hosting containers
The process for deploying virtual machines in z/VM is different
although it also eliminates manual setup that used to be necessary.
i was trying to illustrated that the automation of deployment was not
limited to the cloud.
Ah! Gotcha. Sure, containers is containers is containers. But given the expense 
of IBM zSystems MIPS, it's hard to envision overprovisioning for possible usage 
spikes the way x86 clusters do.  Yes, there's CoD, which is sort of the 
forerunner to this elastic capacity, but not nearly as automated.

To be clear: I'm unconvinced that cloud elasticity is a particularly useful 
capacity in most serious business use cases. Black Friday (heck, the whole 
holiday season) maybe, but that's moderately predictable, and CoD or just plain 
ol' capacity planning can deal with that.

Similarly, I'm unconvinced that zCX is meaningful other than as a "See, we can do stuff like 
this too". I don't see folks embracing it significantly [yet--still relatively early days, 
obviously). What I've seen is people going "Neat!" but then.what?

I do think that the management-by-magazine folks are all aTwitter (or is that 
aX now?) about cloud capabilities because they think they will eliminate the 
need for capacity management and thus save them money. My bet is maybe on the 
first, no on the second. But I have nothing to support that other than my gut 
based on experience. (And I had Thai food for lunch, so gut may be even less 
reliable than usual!)

...

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Joel C. Ewing

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