Bletch! Where is that documented? I find the suspension of JWT by TIME=1440 to not only unintuitive but harmful. what if I need to limit the CPU time but allow long waits?
-- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר ________________________________________ From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> on behalf of Phil Smith III <li...@akphs.com> Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2024 1:12 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: JOB card format Except that TIME=1440 or TIME=NOLIMIT unintuitively overrides that /*JOBPARM value, right? Not that I think IBM has the infodev resources to spend, but the amount of discussion this generated suggests to me that the doc is insufficient. -----Original Message----- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> On Behalf Of Seymour J Metz Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2024 1:06 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: JOB card format לא דובים ולא יער TIME= on the JOB and EXEC is, was and always will be CPU time. It's the TIME= on the /*JOBPARM that is wall clock time. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר ________________________________________ From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> on behalf of Hayim Sokolsky <0000062497e865c9-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2024 11:35 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: JOB card format In truth, TIME= is “wall time” and not CPU time. How many real-world minutes is your job allowed to run before it gets cancelled if it runs over. As there are 1,440 minutes in a 24 hour day, TIME=1440 turns off the timing. Hayim Hayim Sokolsky (he/him/his) Director, Software Engineering Rocket Software, USA E: hsokol...@rocketsoftware.com<mailto:hsokol...@rocketsoftware.com> W:RocketSoftware.com<https://www.rocketsoftware.com/> The views I have expressed in this email are my own personal views, and are not endorsed or supported by, and do not necessarily express or reflect, the views, positions or strategies of my employer. From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> On Behalf Of Phil Smith III Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2024 20:59 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: JOB card format EXTERNAL EMAIL Thanks. I knew it would be something like that! What I wanted to grok in fullness was the TIME= parameter. Page 394 of that PDF talks about it, but is vague about what the time value means. I always thought it was CPU time, and the doc says things like "number of minutes the step can use the processor", though that's an odd way to say "CPU time" IMHO. And then it talks about "continuous wait state", which tends not to use much CPU (!). Nowhere does it seem to define things in detail. Or maybe the wait state thing is just saying (clumsily) that when CPU time is unlimited (via TIME=1440 or TIME=NOLIMIT), the other, usually unrelated maximum wait time is also overridden to be unlimited? What led me to this was an STC we have that's generating $HASP308 <jobname> ESTIMATED TIME EXCEEDED BY 345 MINUTES yet total CPU used is 0.02. Some Googling found this APAR: https://www.ibm.com/support/pages/apar/OA54766<https://www.ibm.com/support/pages/apar/OA54766> which says "These values represent Wall-Clock time". That totally confuses me, and is perhaps just wrong. This thread: https://bit.listserv.ibm-main.narkive.com/IAGR45k7/hasp308-message<https://bit.listserv.ibm-main.narkive.com/IAGR45k7/hasp308-message> talks about trying to limit based on wall-clock time and folks aren't saying "Sure, that's what TIME= means". So...which is it? Seems like wall-clock (with or without the Random Capitals) makes little sense?! -----Original Message----- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU<mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU>> On Behalf Of Mark Jacobs Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2024 7:45 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU<mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> Subject: Re: JOB card format Google JCL reference manual. You'll find the documentation there. Or just use this link, https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/SSLTBW_3.1.0/pdf/ieab600_v3r1.pdf<https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/SSLTBW_3.1.0/pdf/ieab600_v3r1.pdf> Mark Jacobs Sent from ProtonMail, Swiss-based encrypted email. 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