Thanks, Steve, for the history.

The topic is of great interest to me personally for a variety of reasons, including that my wife and I have both traveled in the Middle East and continue to do business there. I also have many friends/colleagues with specific interest in Israel, some of whom reside there. Most of my colleagues/friends with ME/Israeli interest are technical, a substantial portion of that set being mainframers.
So there is real connection with this LISTSERV list.

However ...

The politics of the region serve as fire starter for flame wars, which we want to avoid even more than we want to avoid off-topic conversations. So that's a problem. I clearly see two list members, whom I need not name, who are at odds.

I hold a reasoned opinion on several points, especially the politics, and would greatly welcome conversation with anyone (agree or disagree, as long as you don't "cancel" me) but that would certainly be off-list. But there's a problem. I don't know how to engage off-list. In fact, to chat with Steve is impossible because LISTSERV presents his email address as [email protected]. I don't know if that's a privacy setting or some other LISTSERV artifact but it hinders direct contact which in turn defeats off-list migration of less-than-relevant conversations.

My contact info is either [email protected] or [email protected] (copied).
Steve, please drop me a note.


-- R; <><




On 10/2/24 4:55 PM, Steve Beaver wrote:
Here is a little history for everybody since I used to work in the Middle East

Back in the 70s Saudi Arabia fired all the Palestinians and deported them out 
of Saudi Arabia. That’s just old history.

The more current history is that the Egyptians don’t want the Palestinians. So 
what’s occurred? Is that the Iranians after the 79 revolution in Iran, decided 
to start making trouble and that’s where we are right now.

This is not a discussion of right or wrong. This is just a discussion of where 
we are and where we stand right now.



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No one said I could type with one thumb

On Oct 2, 2024, at 15:48, Phil Smith III<[email protected]>  wrote:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtue_signalling

(Hmm, with two "l"s in "signalling", at least in the title; two is typically 
British, one is American. But the article isn't even consistent, uses both. Now let's discuss 
that...)

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