You need to remove z/VSE from your list since that has been moved to
another company.
Tony Thigpen
Abe Kornelis wrote on 8/12/25 3:38 AM:
Phil, Dave, all,
From my perspective IBM certainly has transitioned from a company with a
long-term vision (which proved quite profitable, eventually) to a
standard public company. The event horizon has decreased from multiple
years to end-of-month.
As always, the quick dollar to please the shareholders come at the
expense of investments. In people, in quality, in everything. With
minimal staffing IBM-ers do what they can. But what they can do has been
limited by staff reductions.
I've long been sorry to see IBM change from a special company into a
large, yet run-of-the-mill company.
And like most such companies, it is mainly the lawyers that run the
company. Managers ask for legal advice to cover their back end.
But lawyers are trained and hired to be paranoid and risk-averse.
Entrepreneurship goes down the drain. Alas.
But we still have mainframes, z/OS, zVSE, zVM, zTPF, Hercules, and z390.
What a wealth to enjoy! I'm still grateful to the IBM-ers who created
all this.
I cannot help myself, but love it!
Kind regards & happy programming,
Abe
===
On 11/08/2025 18:10, Phil Smith III wrote:
I have to wonder if any of this is due to loss of tribal knowledge/coherence.
IBM used to have lots of standards for things, with SWAT teams to enforce them
(ok, not quite, but they WERE taken quite seriously). Nowadays that seems to be
much less true, and I have to wonder if these apparent inconsistencies might be
explained that simply.
"Never assume a conspiracy where..." dept!
-----Original Message-----
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <[email protected]> On Behalf Of
David Cole
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2025 12:05 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Why LLC? Why not LLB?
WRT "some vetting such as, how likely is it that this name is already in use [... in
a] customer macro?"
Hmmm, I dunno. I wonder how many customers had to change their MSG macros to
get out of the way of MULTIPLY SINGLE (64).
On the other hand, if they had continued the pattern of CLIB and
CLIJ, then CLFIT would not have had an F in it.
Dave
At 8/9/2025 08:09 AM, Peter Relson wrote:
<snip>I wonder if the hardware guys assign the mnemonic, or if the assembler
developers assign it? (Based on some of the names, I am betting the
hardware guys.)</snip>
The system architecture folks assign,
with some vetting such as "how likely is it that this name is already in use
as an IBM or
customer macro?".
The assembler folks may "add".
Peter Relson
----------------------------------------------------------------------
For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions,
send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
----------------------------------------------------------------------
For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions,
send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
----------------------------------------------------------------------
For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions,
send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
----------------------------------------------------------------------
For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions,
send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
----------------------------------------------------------------------
For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions,
send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
