The image is pretty bad, but I can't make out anything that looks like a 7094, with it's distinctive display of index registers 3, 5, 6 and 7 above the display of 1, 2 and 4. Worse, even if it's accurate wiki wouldn't consider anything on youtube to be a reliable source. I was hoping for some sort of BTL paper.
-- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר ________________________________________ From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <[email protected]> on behalf of Rupert Reynolds <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, August 29, 2025 12:21 PM To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Artificial stupidity in action External Message: Use Caution My memory says 7094, although it was before my time and I can't suggest a source. That said, https://youtu.be/41U78QP8nBk?si=57nEornU6G5VjX7R says 7094 in 1961 You've reminded me of The Happy Hacker, which was later and had no words I think. Bell Labs, maybe? Roops --- "Mundus sine Caesaribus" On Fri, 29 Aug 2025, 14:52 Seymour J Metz, <[email protected]> wrote: > There are conflicting claims as to the first computer to play Daisy Bell. > Some sources claim 704, with a dater later than the first 7090. Other > sources claim 7094, with a date earlier than the official first customer > ship. Is it possible that BTL had a pre-announcement 7094? Does anyody have > a definitive reference that wiki could cite? > > > -- > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 > עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי > נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר > > > > > ________________________________________ > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <[email protected]> on behalf > of Seymour J Metz <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, August 29, 2025 7:39 AM > To: [email protected] <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Artificial stupidity in action > > > External Message: Use Caution > > > It is in some regards unfortunate that the term AI is used for current > software, as it properly refers to a goal not yet achieved and leads to > unrealistic expectations. I prefer terms with fewer connotations, e.g., big > data. > > It is true that an LLM is simply synthesizing from the data that it was > trained on, but the issue is not whether it is truly creative, but rather > whether it is useful. In many cases it is, although human oversight is > essential. > > In a typical LLM application, plagiarism is not a problem unless it > involves IP property violation. > > -- > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 > עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי > נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר > > > > > ________________________________________ > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <[email protected]> on behalf > of Rupert Reynolds <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, August 29, 2025 2:20 AM > To: [email protected] <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Artificial stupidity in action > > > External Message: Use Caution > > > While I have tried various LLMs for code (such as C code to create a TCP > server socket, and to accept a connection) I'd argue it is not generating > to any significant degree--searching hard enough, I found the original code > I'm pretty sure the LLM plagiarised. > > LLMs do not understand (by my definition of the word). And the old trick of > asking "how many Ws are there in Mississippi" would not be so no popular if > they did understand. > > Roops > --- > "Mundus sine Caesaribus" > > On Fri, 29 Aug 2025, 02:35 Seymour J Metz, <[email protected]> wrote: > > > I believe that current technology is good enough to generate decent HLASM > > with adequate training. > > > > As to the future, something that I learned a long time ago is that it is > a > > lot easier to predict that a technology is possible than it is to predict > > when. Some things arrived a lot sooner than anybody expected, while > others > > that were "5 years away" still aren't here after half a century. > > > > As for true AI, I'm more concerned about ethical issues than I am about > > competition. At what point does a piece of software become a person? > > > > -- > > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > > http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 > > עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי > > נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________ > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <[email protected]> on behalf > > of Steve Thompson <[email protected]> > > Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2025 9:07 PM > > To: [email protected] <[email protected]> > > Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Artificial stupidity in action > > > > > > External Message: Use Caution > > > > > > I'm not so sure it has the smarts today to generate assembly > > language statements that are correct and logical until we go > > through another generation or two (Versions in product speak). > > > > I've been looking at it in reading IRS alc and trying to turn > > that in to Java. I was told the java was nearly undecipherable by > > the people who were well versed in java. And even then, they were > > not able to make some changes to it that did what they wanted. > > > > Meanwhile, I'm afraid of AI becoming too "good". I keep > > remembering the books I read in HS from Isaac Asimov and > > postitronic brains and having to implement the rules of robotics. > > > > Basically, I see a bad moon rising.... > > > > > > -- > > Regards, > > Steve Thompson > > > > MAGA: Make Assembly Language Great Again > > > > > > > > On 8/28/2025 8:44 PM, Seymour J Metz wrote: > > > Just because it's overhyped doesn't mean that it's not useful. And just > > because it doesn't have understanding today doesn't mean that it never > > will. Making a pun on the name doesn't mean that I consider it useless or > > unimportant. > > > > > > The issues generating HLASM code are real, but that stems from > > inadequate data during training rather than design defects. > > > > > > -- > > > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > > > http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 > > > עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי > > > נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________ > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <[email protected]> on > > behalf of [email protected] < > > [email protected]> > > > Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2025 8:09 PM > > > To: [email protected] <[email protected]> > > > Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Artificial stupidity in action > > > > > > > > > External Message: Use Caution > > > > > > > > > The same people who said the mainframe is dead in 1993, are likely the > > same ones now downplaying AI. NVIDIA is the highest market cap company > that > > ever existed. What do they make? Graphics Processing Units for AI data > > centers. Who is buying them? The largest tech companies in the world. AI > is > > here and it’s going to impact everything. > > > > > > > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, August 17, 2025, 8:59 AM, Seymour J Metz <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > > How good is the training? Can it generate a working HLASM program? > > Locate specific editions of PoOps? > > > > > > i tried CoPilot only because it was part of my mandatory training this > > year. i was curious whether it would mess up as badly as ChaatGPT (It's a > > typo. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.) > > > > > > -- > > > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > > > http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 > > > עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי > > > נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________ > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <[email protected]> on > > behalf of Pommier, Rex <[email protected]> > > > Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2025 10:49 PM > > > To: [email protected] <[email protected]> > > > Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Artificial stupidity in action > > > > > > > > > External Message: Use Caution > > > > > > > > > How about the best of both worlds - google AI? I went searching for a > > very specific "can I do this" type question regarding surcharges on > retail > > purchases with credit cards and a specific CC clearinghouse. Google AI > > came back with a "yes you can do that" and about 3 items down the hit > list, > > the specific clearing house' web site pops up with "no you can't do > that". > > > > > > Rex > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <[email protected]> On > > Behalf Of Matt Hogstrom > > > Sent: Friday, August 15, 2025 4:38 PM > > > To: [email protected] > > > Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Artificial stupidity in action > > > > > > Let’s be honest. It’s not sentient. Processed a lot of information > and > > indexes it to define relationships and is a better search than google. > > > Apart from that I think people are expecting perfection but it is > > imperfect but pretty dang impressive > > > > > > On Fri, Aug 15, 2025 at 17:34 Seymour J Metz <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > >> Well, the judge thought that submitting briefs with bogus citations > > >> was pretty cheesy. > > >> > > >> -- > > >> Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > > >> > https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://mason.gmu.edu/*smetz3__;fg!!KjMRP1I > > >> xj6eLE0Fj!o_VDCnJjynb2bLfg3a11_uUWQ7D6fOm5XPAHuwxjVSyRa1TXm8EZK0TBPkbq > > >> Iq9QkXgdysUR5N9aWYQ8nUZqrh1AdEOYmjoWbmAO$ > > >> עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי > > >> נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> ________________________________________ > > >> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <[email protected]> on > > >> behalf of Jeremy Nicoll <[email protected]> > > >> Sent: Friday, August 15, 2025 4:58 PM > > >> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> > > >> Subject: Re: Artificial stupidity in action > > >> > > >> > > >> External Message: Use Caution > > >> > > >> > > >> On Fri, 15 Aug 2025, at 19:42, Seymour J Metz wrote: > > >>> ... when they submitted AI-generated brie that contained > > >> AI can make cheese? > > >> > > >> -- > > >> Jeremy Nicoll - my opinions are my own. > > >> > > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > > >> email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > > >> email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > >> > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > > email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > > send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > > send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > > send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > > send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
