Well, not for all programmers.  I am 26 years and counting at my current 
employer.

From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <[email protected]> On Behalf Of 
David Elliot
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2026 2:08 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Interesting

Permanent employment ? What the hell is that Sir?
Those days are long long gone.

On Tue, Feb 17, 2026, 6:50 PM Jousma, David <
[email protected]> wrote:

> Steve,  Are you looking for a new gig?  Ive never contracted so I don’t
> know or have never experienced what you are talking about.   Maybe its time
> for permanent employment?
>
>
> ​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​_______________________________
> Dave Jousma
> Vice President | Director, Platform Engineering
> Fifth Third Bank | 1830 East Paris Ave, SE | Grand Rapids, MI 49546
>
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <[email protected]> on behalf
> of Steve Beaver <[email protected]>
> Date: Tuesday, February 17, 2026 at 1:40 PM
> To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
> Subject: Interesting
>
> In the last 2 days I have been approached about 70 times by phone and
> email.
> Just another day
>
> What I find interesting that I the recruiters are offering $62/Hr W2.  I
> push back and say $65/Hr W2
>
> And they fold their tents over $120 per week
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