This doesn't need to be a subscription issue. I think that this particular issue is about when someone is blatantly ignoring the rules and what should happen based on that. If they get disabled, and then connect again, but act the same they will simply be disabled again. The idea is that the professional standards have to be adhered to or the person is removed. Multiple times if necessary. If they want to reconnect and have finally learned how to act, then there should be no impediment to them doing so. That's just my opinion.
Brian >I'm not talking about open or closed character of cryptography. >I'm talking about IBM-MAIN rules. >The rule is anyone can subscribe. >ANYONE. >That mean Rick may have dozen of fake identities and dozen of email >addresses, and then subscribe that dozen accounts. Or just add yet >another identity daily. >Cryptography won't change it. > >The only solution would be change the process of subscribing to >IBM-MAIN, which is IMHO not feasible. The process similar to new >customer in a bank - some rules which confirm the name of customer and >preclude additional fake accounts. > >-- >Radoslaw Skorupka >Lodz, Poland > > > >W dniu 26.05.2026 o 22:34, Rick Troth pisze: >> There's nothing "closed" about cryptographically signing your email. >> IT MAY run counter to privacy, but it DOES NOT run counter to security >> nor (in general) to open access. >> >> If you want to consider or discuss "freedom" as affected by privacy >> (or lack thereof), that's fair, and I would agree. >> But it's also possible to have and use a cryptographic signature for >> which your identity is anonymized. (Seems to work for Bitcoin, though >> I don't live in that space.) >> >> The point is that spam continues to be a problem and most of our >> attempts to fight it have adverse side effects. >> (Like drugs: there are costs and each drug hits more than just the >> target it is said to aim at.) >> >> I've been using PGP-style signing for a while. >> Sadly, I cannot with most LISTSERV lists because LISTSERV is often >> configured to reject attachments. (And the signature looks like an >> attachment.) >> I don't have enough bandwidth to remember which lists allow signature >> as attachment and which do not, but I really wish they all did. >> >> >> -- R; <>< >> >> >> >> On 5/18/26 2:45 PM, Radoslaw Skorupka wrote: >>> W dniu 18.05.2026 o 20:24, Rick Troth pisze: >>>> We could require cryptographic signatures (PGP or PKI) on email from >>>> participants. >>>> But that's a LISTSERV change that L-Soft prolly has to implement. >>> >>> What for? >>> This is open community. Everyone can sign in and there is no >>> effective verification of the person who did it. So in theory John >>> Doe can subscribe as John Doe, Albert Kowalski or every other name. >>> When revoked he can subscribe again under yet another name, using yet >>> another free email account. >>> While there is no chance to involve government-authenticated ID we >>> won't change the above. >>> >>> However there is really simple way to get rid off the trolls: >>> 1. DON'T FEED THEM. Just no answer, even such as "it is off-topic", >>> or "stop doing it". Just NOTHING. No troll write a spam when there >>> are no readers, no feedback. >>> 2. Use simple message filtering. Did the troll used "Joseph Smith" >>> name? Then use a filter that will direct these messages straight to >>> the trash. >>> 3. Remember to use 1 & 2. Always. >>> > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- >For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
