For the record, I was once zookeeper for a 4341. West Coast technology subsidiary of a major East Coast bank. It ran native 'commercial' MVS (no VM) in the early 80s. It may have been an oddball for having been delivered with CKD DASD, but the goal was to simulate the bank's much larger boxes in their 'real' data centers. I don't know how one would recreate that anachronistic world today, but I can say that the configuration was very doable. System was initialized BTW using standalone restore of backup tapes from another data center.
. . . J.O.Skip Robinson Southern California Edison Company Electric Dragon Team Paddler SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager 323-715-0595 Mobile [email protected] > -----Original Message----- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of Mike Schwab > Sent: Monday, February 15, 2016 10:58 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [Bulk] Re: Query: Will modern z/OS and z/VM classes suffice for MVS > and VM/370 > > I heavily recommend signing up for the Hercules yahoo groups for installing > VM/370, MVS 3.8, DOS/VS, Music, PDOS, MVT 21.8F with APL\360, etc. Yes, > they have been working on emulators, but using these versions of software. > They even have install tape images and scripts to load empty volumes. > > http://www.jaymoseley.com/hercules/installMVS/install.htm > MVS 3.7 starter system then build 3.8. > > http://www.bsp-gmbh.com/turnkey/ > http://www.bsp-gmbh.com/turnkey/cookbook/ > Turnkey 3 CD-ROM with MVS 3.8J. The Hercules on the CD-Rom is quite old. > > http://mvs380.sourceforge.net/ Turnkey 3 MVS 3.8J with 31 bit extensions so > GCC can recompile itself. Of course the extentions won't work on real > hardware, but just skip the enabling instruction. > > http://wotho.ethz.ch/tk4-/ Turnkey 3 with cleanups and improvements > without the 31 bit changes for GCC. > > So, pick one, install on hercules, xmit370 to disk files, download to PC, > load up > to your disks. > > How will you install your starter system? > > On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 8:42 PM, Anne & Lynn Wheeler <[email protected]> > wrote: > > [email protected] (Rich Alderson) writes: > >> We are currently in the process of restoring a 4341 to operating > >> condition. We have just last week corrected a fault in the power > >> system, and are able to power the system up and IML it from floppy. > >> > >> We are now deciding what operating system to run on the restored > >> system. Most likely, we will run VM/370, but possibly we will run an > >> MVS guest as well. I used to be an MVS systems programmer, but that > >> was more than 30 years ago, and even the rust has eroded away. > >> > >> I would like to brush up on operations and systems programming, which > >> would be much simpler if a modern z/OS and/or z/VM course would > >> suffice for the older operating systems. Have the operator commands > >> and programming utilities changed radically since 1984 (JES2, CMS)? > >> > >> Please feel free to reply privately if you wish to tell me how foolish this > sounds. > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Rich Alderson > > > > > > Hercules comes with 4341 era vm370 > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hercules_%28emulator%29 > > > > vast majority of 4341s were shipped with FBA disks ... you would need > > some sort of CKD disks in order to bring up MVS. > > > > huge percentage of 4341s went out into departmental areas with 3370 > > FBA disks, sort of leading edge of distributed computing tsunami ... > > not requiring datacenter provisioning. > > > > -- > > virtualization experience starting Jan1968, online at home since > > Mar1970 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
