On Feb 20, 2016, at 11:25 AM, Rob Schramm wrote:

But isn't it the point? We would all prefer to live in a world where bad coding doesn't happen. I would venture a guess that most have been in a situation that called for a bad temporary solution until a fix could be found. In which case the expertise of the system programmer comes into play and says "while I wouldn't recommend running in this configuration for long, we can do X to keep things going in production.". Even with some of
the functions that seem outlandish (highly dependent on your point of
view), there is at least one person on IBM-Main that has had to use it
either because of inherent design constraints or to get thru a bad
situation.  One more " trick " to add to the sysprogs bag-of-tricks.

As for the name.. They should have called it a z131z and made a
palindrome.  Agreed that z13ses is just bad.  But we should agree to
something... since it is here to stay.

Rob Schramm

Rob:
I think that we pay IBM the big bucks to produce code that is reliable (IBM blew it with DFP in the early stages) so the mega ptf tapes more or less disappeared because the customers were complaining at both GUIDE and SHARE about it and IBM finally started to put their act together . There was *NEVER* talk about upgrading the processor just so IBM could do it correctly. *IF* IBM would have taken that position I think some other vendor would have finally got their toe hold in the ground. IBM got their act together and the mega PTF tapes disappeared. So you want to go back to the "good" old days and with mega PTF's ? I for one don't want to.

BTW I am still pissed at IBM treatment of JAVA and their total replacement of the product instead of just putting out fixes for one or two (or even) three csects.

Ed

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