> On Dec 14, 2016, at 1:13 PM, Elardus Engelbrecht 
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> Warning! Edward and I am now hijacking this thread to discuss something very 
> odd/fishy... ;-D
> 
> :-D   *-D   ;-D
> 
> Edward Gould wrote:
> 
>> Thirty + years ago (pre-RACF) we put update password on the mastercats.
>> Worked like a charm for us.
> 
> Passwords? Hmmm, my very first boss (now dead) used that, but they were then 
> already starting to expand usage of RACF and getting rid of passwords. Then I 
> become later storage admin and soon found out I really need RACF to protect 
> my catalogs, datasets as well my SMS + HSM then. And dropping passwords at 
> all of course.
> 
> 
> Ok, Edward, first thing first! Thanks for your kind notes. I humbly 
> appreciate it.,
> 
> Please educate me about those passwords and management of that. How did you 
> managed it? What if the password holder is ill or dead of fired, what then? 
> What happens if that dataset 'password' is deleted? Were the contents 
> readable or was that content scrambled? I never could figured that out…

At the time we were a medium to large DC in Chicago. If memory serves me 8 
sysprog types having said that we also had very low turnover (1 or 2 in the 10 
years I was there).
One of my varied duties was creating TSO id’s . None (maybe 2 others) of the 
others (except the senior guy) had the password.
We kept the password within the 2-3 sysprogs so if one wasn’t available it was 
a phone call (They had to open it up to another sysprog as I liked to take 
vacations off the grid).

Coming from MVT (where there was *NO* security) one of my duties was to keep 
the master cat clean. RACF was still in its infancy and I think ACF2 just came 
out (fuzzy on that part).
We needed the ability to swap mastercats in a few minutes because the drives we 
had were (I think) STC washing machines and they tended to break at the worst 
possible time.
So we created a backup mastercat  and that is why we didn’t want anything in 
there other than mandatory system (and alias’s) datasets.

Ed

> 
> Oh, last question please, if you don't mind, were passwords used when mcat 
> was opened first during IPL?
> 
> Now, I am still astonished that provisions for passwords are still there in 
> ISPF panels! Beside backward compatibility reasons, why are passwords still 
> supported in utilities and ISPF, even now at year 2016 and z/OS v2.1 + v2.2?
> 
> Groete / Greetings
> Elardus Engelbrecht
> 
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